Derivation of D'Alembert equation (for pressure waves)

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the D'Alembert equation for pressure waves, specifically focusing on the mathematical relationships and physical principles involved in the derivation process. Participants explore the implications of pressure differences and the relationships between various parameters in the context of wave propagation.

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  • One participant presents a derivation involving pressure differences and the relationship between volume and density, leading to the D'Alembert equation.
  • Another participant clarifies that the expression ##d\psi=\frac{\partial \psi}{\partial x}dx## is derived from the Chain Rule in calculus, indicating a relationship between the variables involved.
  • A third participant identifies the D'Alembert equation as the classical wave equation, noting that its solutions represent waves that vary in time and propagate in space.
  • Another participant emphasizes the connection between the D'Alembert equation and pressure waves, reinforcing the topic of the thread.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the derivation process and the relationships between variables. While some points are clarified, the overall discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific derivation steps and their implications.

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Some assumptions about the relationships between pressure, volume, and density are not fully explored, and the derivation steps may depend on specific definitions or conditions that are not explicitly stated.

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In my textbook there is an explanation of a derivation of D'Alembert equation for pressure waves. (##\frac{\partial^2 y}{\partial x^2}=\frac{\rho}{\beta}\frac{\partial^2 y}{\partial t^2}##)
I put the picture (the only one I found on internet) but I'll call ##y_1 ,y_2## as ##\psi_1,\psi_2## and the second volume will be smaller that the first volume (unlike in the picture) so ##V_2<V_1##.

Starting by the fact that there is a pression on the left bigger than pressure on the right (so the volume will be smaller) ##P_1 >P_2##, I have ##(P_1-P_2)A=ma_x= \rho_0 A dx \frac{\partial^2 y}{\partial t^2}##.

Then I write ##P_{1,2}## as ##P_0+dP_{1,2}##, so ##dP_1-dP_2= -\frac{\partial(dP)}{\partial x} dx##.

Then I use the fact that ##dP=\beta \frac{d\rho}{\rho_0}## (with ##\beta## the coefficient of compressibility), but I need to write the ##d\rho## as a function of x, so

##\rho_0 V_1=(\rho_0+d\rho)V_2 \rightarrow \rho_0 A dx= (\rho_0+d\rho) A (dx-d\psi)##

Then by book says that I can write ##d\psi=\frac{\partial \psi}{\partial x}dx##, but I don't understand how these two variables are related.
Any help?
 

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fcoulomb said:
...book says that I can write ##d\psi=\frac{\partial \psi}{\partial x}dx##, but I don't understand how these two variables are related.
Any help?
It's just the Chain Rule from calculus. It expresses whatever relationship there is between the variables (or their derivatives, anyway).
 
That is the classical wave equation. The solutions of that are waves which vary in time and propagate in space.

Are you asking how to derive the solution to that differential equation? If so, you can find it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_equation#General_solution

edit: wrong link replaced.
 
anorlunda said:
That is the classical wave equation. The solutions of that are waves which vary in time and propagate in spac.

That's why the title of the thread says "D'Alembert equation (for pressure waves)." :wink:
 

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