Derivation of time period for physical pendula without calculus

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The discussion revolves around deriving the time period of a physical pendulum, specifically a uniform rod pendulum, without the use of calculus. The original poster is seeking assistance in continuing their derivation and is particularly focused on understanding the relationship between torque and the time period.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the equation for the time period using torque and expresses confusion over a skipped step in an external derivation. Other participants introduce concepts related to rotational motion and acceleration, questioning the relationship between angular position and linear coordinates.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of rotational motion and its implications for the pendulum's time period. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between angular motion and linear coordinates, but clarity is still being sought by the original poster.

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The original poster is constrained by the requirement to avoid calculus in their derivation, which may limit the approaches discussed. There is also a reference to an external source that may not fully address the original poster's needs.

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TL;DR Summary: I'm stuck trying to find the equation for time period T of a physical pendulum without any calculus using torque.

Hello all.

I am currently writing my IB Physics HL IA (high school physics lab report).

I am investigating the effect of length on the time period of a uniform rod pendulum.

I need to derive the following equation, ideally without using calculus:
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This website has a good derivation but skips an important step at the end, when stating "This is identical in form to the equation for the simple pendulum and yields a period: EQUATION ABOVE". I was wondering if there was a way to arrive to the equation without jumping through hoops. If anyone could help me continue my derivation I'd be very appreciative. I got as far as this:

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Kind regards
Dan
 
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Consider a point on the periphery of a disc rotating at constant speed. What is the relationship between the disc's rotation angle at some instant, the x coordinate of the point and the component of its acceleration in the x direction?
 
haruspex said:
Consider a point on the periphery of a disc rotating at constant speed. What is the relationship between the disc's rotation angle at some instant, the x coordinate of the point and the component of its acceleration in the x direction?
haruspex, thank you for your response, but I don't seem to understand. What do you mean by x-coordinate?

Could you show your working out?

Many thanks
Dan
 
danpendr said:
What do you mean by x-coordinate?
Take a disc radius r to be rotating about the origin in the XY plane at angular velocity ω. For a point on the perimeter, what is the relationship between its x coordinate and the x component of its acceleration?
 

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