Derivatives in an Atwood Machine

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The discussion centers on the derivation of the energy equation for an Atwood machine, specifically addressing the confusion around the term \(dE/dt = 0\). The solution provided includes the term \((m_1 + m_2)\dot{x}_1\ddot{x}_1 - g(m_1-m_2)\dot{x}_1\), prompting questions about the presence of \(\dot{x}\ddot{x}\). The inquiry suggests that this may relate to the chain rule in calculus, particularly in differentiating functions of time. The user also explores the differentiation of \(U(t)\) and its implications for understanding the energy equation. Clarifying these concepts is essential for grasping the dynamics of the Atwood machine.
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Homework Statement


I have the professor's solutions for a homework we handed in. There is a part that is confusing me. We have the following equation:

$$E = \frac{1}{2}(m_1 + m_2)\dot{x}^2-(m_1-m_2)gx$$


Homework Equations



We want to find: $$dE/dt = 0$$


The Attempt at a Solution



The solution says the correct answer is:

$$dE/dt = 0 = (m_1 + m_2)\dot{x}_1\ddot{x}_1 - g(m_1-m_2)\dot{x}_1$$

Why does it contain \dot{x}\ddot{x} instead of just \ddot{x}?

Is it because of the chain rule?

Thanks!
 
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For any function U(t), what is \frac{dU^2}{dt}?

\dot{x} is a function of t.
 
So then it's just

$$ \frac{dU^2}{dU}\frac{dU}{dt} = 2U\dot{U}$$ ?
 
henryd said:
So then it's just

$$ \frac{dU^2}{dU}\frac{dU}{dt} = 2U\dot{U}$$ ?

That doesn't quite work, because \dot{U} \equiv \frac{dU}{dt}

Try \frac{dU^n}{dt} = nU^{n-1}\frac{dU}{dt}
 
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