Deriving expression for resistance in terms of current density

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The discussion centers on deriving the expression for resistance in terms of current density, specifically addressing equation 9.42 from "Modern Electrodynamics" by Andrew Zangwill. The participants emphasize that current density (j) should be expressed as conductivity (σ) multiplied by the sum of the electric field (E) and a fictitious electric field (E') representing the effect of electromotive force (EMF). The voltage difference in circuits with EMF is articulated as V1 - V2 = IR - EMF, highlighting that resistance (R) is defined as R = (1/I) ∫(E + E') dl. This formulation is crucial for accurate circuit analysis in electrical engineering.

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Is there a way to obtain equation 9.42 (I is current, j is current density, and sigma is conductivity) in the following image (from Modern Electrodynamics by Andrew Zangwill, the part on electromotive force) besides using V=IR and substituting the line integral of j/conductivity for V? The aforementioned way requires that j=conductivity*E, but due to the emf, j should be equal to conductivity*[E + E'], where E' is a fictitious electric field representing the effect of any source of EMF.
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I think this equation is reasonable and I don't see any problem with it.

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alan123hk said:
I think this equation is reasonable and I don't see any problem with it.

But how is R written as the first integral?
 
spindecide said:
But how is R written as the first integral?
My personal opinion as follow.

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But j is not just equal to sigma times E as the effect of the emf needs to be considered, so that j equals sigma times (E + E').
 
A very useful equation is shown here
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$$ V_1-V_2=IR_{12}-\varepsilon _{12}~~~~~\Rightarrow ~~~~~V_1-V_2=IR_{12}-\int_1^2~dl\cdot~E^{'} $$ That is to say, the voltage difference in a circuit with EMF is not equal to IR, but equal to IR minus EMF. This is actually an equation very familiar and commonly used by electrical and electronics engineers when conducting circuit analysis.

It is also worth noting that $$IR_{12}=(V_1-V_2)+\varepsilon _{12}=\int_1^2~dl\cdot~(E+E^{'}),~~~~\text{so}~~R=\frac {1}{I} \int_1^2~dl\cdot~(E+E^{'}) $$
Everything is in perfect harmony, without contradictions. :smile:
 
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spindecide said:
But j is not just equal to sigma times E as the effect of the emf needs to be considered, so that j equals sigma times (E + E').
You are right, I accidentally wrote the equation wrong.
 
alan123hk said:
You are right, I accidentally wrote the equation wrong.
Can we please stop this split electric field nonsense???
Please.
 
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