Deriving Lorentz Transformation

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The discussion revolves around deriving the Lorentz Transformation using concepts from relativity, specifically length contraction and time dilation. Participants are exploring the relationships between these concepts and their implications for transformations in physics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of length contraction and time dilation equations, questioning how these relate to the derivation of the Lorentz Transformation. There is an attempt to connect the Galilean transformation to the Lorentz Transformation, with some confusion about specific terms like ##ux/c^2## and their origins.

Discussion Status

The discussion has seen participants sharing their thoughts and attempts at deriving the transformation. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relativity of simultaneity and the "leading clocks lag" rule, which are suggested as necessary components for the derivation process. However, there is no explicit consensus or resolution reached among participants.

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Participants express uncertainty about specific terms and concepts, indicating a need for further clarification on the derivation process. The original poster and others are working within the constraints of homework expectations, which may limit the depth of exploration.

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Homework Statement


How can we derive Lorentz Transformation using the length contraction and time dilation equations of relativity ?

Homework Equations


##γ = 1/ (\sqrt{1-u^2/c^2})##
##t = t_0γ##
##L = L_0/γ##

The Attempt at a Solution


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In position Lorentz Transformation calculations, simply I thought that the distance will get shorter since there's length contraction.
So in galilean transformation the position transformation is ##x= x_0-ut##. So this "length" will get shorther by the amount of ##γ##.
So we have ##x = γ(x_0-ut)##

For the time part I am kind of stuck. I didnt understand where the ##ux/c^2## comes from.
 
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Arman777 said:

Homework Statement


How can we derive Lorentz Transformation using the length contraction and time dilation equations of relativity ?

Homework Equations


##γ = 1/ (\sqrt{1-u^2/c^2})##
##t = t_0γ##
##L = L_0/γ##

The Attempt at a Solution


[/B]
In position Lorentz Transformation calculations, simply I thought that the distance will get shorter since there's length contraction.
So in galilean transformation the position transformation is ##x= x_0-ut##. So this "length" will get shorther by the amount of ##γ##.
So we have ##x = γ(x_0-ut)##

For the time part I am kind of stuck. I didnt understand where the ##ux/c^2## comes from.

That term is from the relativity of simultaneity. You need that as well to derive Lorentz.
 
PeroK said:
That term is from the relativity of simultaneity. You need that as well to derive Lorentz.
But how. How can I derive it ?
 
Arman777 said:
But how. How can I derive it ?
You have to derive the "leading clocks lag" rule and using this along with time dilation and length contraction you can derive Lorentz.
 
okay I manage to derive it thanks.
 

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