Determine Series' Convergence or Divergence

In summary, the conversation discusses the convergence of the series ##\sum _{n=1}ne^{-n}## using the ratio and integral tests. The ratio test determines that the series converges absolutely, but the integral test is inconclusive. The conversation then discusses using l'Hospital's rule to find the limit of ##\frac{n}{e^n}##, which is necessary for the integral test. After some confusion, it is determined that the limit is ##\frac{2}{e}##, confirming that the series converges.
  • #1
knowLittle
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Homework Statement


##\sum _{n=1}ne^{-n}##


Homework Equations


Ratio Test
Integral Test


The Attempt at a Solution


I know that by the ratio test, it converges absolutely. But, I am unable to determine its convergence through the integral test . Could someone help? I thought that the integral test would be best, since e is used.

The ratio test gives me 1/e approx 0.367879 <1; therefore, it converges absolutely.

Now, the integral test is my concern. I believe I have done all correct steps, but the result shows that it diverges.
##\lim _{b\rightarrow \infty }\int _{1}^{b}\dfrac {n} {e^{n}}dn##

Integrating by parts with: u=n; du=dn; dv=(e^-n) dn; v=-e^-n
## \left[ -e^{-n}\left( n\right) +-e^{-n}\right] _{1}^{\infty }##
The final result is:
##-\dfrac {\infty } {e^{\infty} }-\dfrac {1} {e^{\infty }}+\dfrac {2} {e} ## and it diverges. What am I doing wrong?
Thank you.
 
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  • #2
knowLittle said:

Homework Statement


##\sum _{n=1}ne^{-n}##


Homework Equations


Ratio Test
Integral Test


The Attempt at a Solution


I know that by the ratio test, it converges absolutely. But, I am unable to determine its convergence through the integral test . Could someone help? I thought that the integral test would be best, since e is used.

The ratio test gives me 1/e approx 0.367879 <1; therefore, it converges absolutely.

Now, the integral test is my concern. I believe I have done all correct steps, but the result shows that it diverges.
##\lim _{b\rightarrow \infty }\int _{1}^{b}\dfrac {n} {e^{n}}dn##

Integrating by parts with: u=n; du=dn; dv=(e^-n) dn; v=-e^-n
## \left[ -e^{-n}\left( n\right) +-e^{-n}\right] _{1}^{\infty }##
The final result is:
##-\dfrac {\infty } {e^{\infty} }-\dfrac {1} {e^{\infty }}+\dfrac {2} {e} ## and it diverges. What am I doing wrong?
Thank you.

What is ##\displaystyle \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \frac{n}{e^n}##? You will need to use l'Hospital's rule!
 
  • #3
Wow. Thank you.
 
  • #4
My integral after L'Hospital doesn't agree with answers online. Could you tell me what's wrong?
##\lim _{b\rightarrow \infty }\int _{1}^{b}\dfrac {n} {e^{n}}dn##

##\int _{1}^{b}\dfrac {1} {en}dn=\left[ -e^{-n}\right] _{1}^{b}=-\dfrac {1} {e^{\infty }}+\dfrac {1} {e}##
, the first term to the left is e^n
 
  • #5
You need to find the limit of [itex]\frac{1}{e^n}[/itex] and not its integral.
 
  • #6
The limit of (1/ e^n) as n approaches infinity is 0. The test for divergence is inconclusive.

I'm trying to find the determination of convergence or divergence through the integral test.
 
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OK, I've worked it out, and the limit should be: [itex]\frac{2}{e}[/itex]
 
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  • #8
Yeah, that's what it's shown online.
I get 1/e. My procedure is above. Could you help?
 
  • #9
This step is correct:
[tex]\left[ -e^{-n}\left( n\right) -e^{-n}\right] _{1}^{\infty }[/tex]
Let b=∞, then,
[tex]\left[ -e^{-n}\left( n\right) -e^{-n}\right] _{1}^{b}[/tex]
This gives:
[tex]\left[ \left( \frac{-b}{e^b} -e^{-b}\right) - \left( \frac{-1}{e} -e^{-1}\right) \right][/tex]
Now, what you have to find is the limit as b→∞
[tex]\lim_{b→∞} \left[ \left( \frac{-b}{e^b} -e^{-b}\right) - \left( \frac{-1}{e} -e^{-1}\right) \right][/tex]
But the limit of the following requires using L'Hopital's rule,
[tex]\lim_{b→∞} \frac{-b}{e^b} = \lim_{b→∞} \frac{-1}{e^b}[/tex]
You can then work out the rest:
[tex]\lim_{b→∞} \left[ \left( \frac{-1}{e^b} - \frac{1}{e^b}\right) - \left( \frac{-1}{e} - \frac{1}{e}\right) \right][/tex]
 
  • #10
Thanks, it's what I suspected. This L'Hospital rule keeps coming and coming.
 
  • #11
You had the answer in your first post! The first term goes to zero by l'Hospital's, the second goes to zero, and the final term is just a constant which was ##\frac{2}{e}##.
 
  • #12
I know, I didn't know I could use L'Hospital in the middle of an integration by parts.
Thanks.
 

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