Dipole magnitude and direction (21.67)

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The discussion focuses on calculating the total electric field from a dipole consisting of two opposite charges. For Part A, the user attempts to derive the electric field using the formula for the fields due to each charge but struggles with algebraic simplifications. In Part B, there is clarification regarding the direction of the dipole moment, confirming it points from the negative to the positive charge, contrary to the user's initial assumption. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly applying the dipole moment concept and simplifying the electric field equation. Overall, the user seeks assistance with algebraic errors while gaining a better understanding of dipole behavior.
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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Total electric field = Electric field caused by Q_1 + electric field caused by Q_2
##\vec{e} = \vec{e_1}+\vec{e_2}##
Dipole moment = ##P = Ql##

The Attempt at a Solution



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**For Part A**
##\vec{E} = \vec{E_1}+\vec{E_2}##
The charges are opposite so it will be a difference, not a sum.
##\frac{KQ}{(R+\frac{l}{2})^2} - \frac{KQ}{(R-\frac{l}{2})^2}##
Define ##A=(R+\frac{l}{2})^2 ## and ##B=(R-\frac{l}{2})^2##
Then ##\frac{KQ}{A} - \frac{KQ}{B}##
##\frac{BKQ-KQA}{AB}##
##\vec{E}=\frac{KQ(B-A)}{AB}##
After simplification, ##AB=R^4 + \frac {(R^2) (l^2)}{2}-R^2 l^2 + \frac{l^4}{4}## and ##B-A=-2Rl##
I didn't get the answer above in part A. Maybe my algebra is wrong or something else?

**Now for Part B**
I feel that ##\vec{E}## should be in the opposite direction of the dipole moment vector (DMP). In the picture above, if the neg charge is on the left and the pos on the right, then the dmp points to the left, but the field at the point points to the right, is this correct? Something similar will happen if we switch the positions of the two charges?

THANK you very much!
 
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Must say I can't understand the problem statement. You have the correct answers in front of you ?

I didn't get the answer above in part A
For R >> l you can ignore terms like R2l2 aside R4.

if the neg charge is on the left and the pos on the right, then the dmp points to the left
No, it points to the right.
 
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BvU said:
No, it points to the right.
Yes you are right. I read the textbook and the Dipole Moment points from the neg charge to the positive one.
So I understand part B. But what about part A?
 
Well, what do you get if you only keep the R4 in the denominator of ##
| \vec{E}\, | =\frac{KQ(B-A)}{AB} ## ?

[edit] by the way, ##(r+l/2)^2(r-l/2)^2 = (r^2-l^2/4)^2 = r^4 -r^2l^2/2+l^4/4## [edit]2 never mind, that's just what you wrote...
 
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