Direct injection spark ignition with gasoline engine

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Complete direct injection spark ignition in gasoline engines could lead to higher pressure ratios, potentially transforming them into Diesel Cycle engines. The discussion highlights that while both Otto and Diesel cycles share similarities in their operational stages, the key difference lies in how combustion is initiated and controlled. Achieving higher efficiency in the Otto cycle involves extending the compression phase, which could blur the lines between the two cycles. The ability to control combustion timing through fuel injection, as seen in Diesel engines, allows for greater compression ratios and efficiency. Overall, advancements in direct injection technology could significantly impact engine design and performance in the automotive industry.
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If someday complete direct injection spark ignition with gasoline engine with Otto cycle is achieved so that very high pressure ratios are possible, what would be the impact on the automotive industry?
 
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You can do that now, and you'd have a Diesel Cycle engine. That is the constraint that defines Diesel. The spark would simply be a redundancy.

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But the diesel cycle engine runs on the brayton cycle. I am talking about the Otto cycle which is more efficient since the pressure rises while combustion and further energy can be extracted from the exhaust if it is not fully expanded to atmospheric pressure.
 
sid_galt said:
But the diesel cycle engine runs on the brayton cycle. I am talking about the Otto cycle which is more efficient since the pressure rises while combustion and further energy can be extracted from the exhaust if it is not fully expanded to atmospheric pressure.

The Diesel engine runs on the Diesel Cycle. All you have to do is compare the P-V curves of the Otto and Diesel Cycles, and you will see the link. If you extend the 'compression' curve of the Otto cycle past the usual 'ignition point', you'll get exactly the curve of the Diesel Cycle. (Not quite that simple, to be sure.)

Both the Otto and the Diesel Cycles have the common characteristic of accomplishing the Intake, the Compression, the Combustion, the Expansion and the Exhaust in the Same place (Cylinder Chamber?). The Brayton Cycle (Which I personally prefer) Moves the air from place to place to accomplish these stages. To go from Otto to Diesel Cycle (as your suggestion does) only requires that fuel 'injection' be held off until you are ready for combustion, thus avoiding premature ignition (called Dieseling). The reason for spark plugs in an Otto Cycle, is just to get control over when combustion occurs, rather than having pre-ignition (Dieseling). The other way to control when combustion occurs, is to hold off fuel injection; exactly what a Diesel does, and this allows greater compression ratios. You described conversion from Otto to Diesel Cycle.

KM
 
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Thanks for the help
 
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