Dispersion relation for diatomic linear chain.

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The discussion revolves around the dispersion relation for a diatomic linear chain of atoms, focusing on the implications of setting the masses of the two atoms equal and the resulting behavior of the dispersion relation. Participants explore theoretical aspects, mathematical formulations, and physical interpretations related to acoustic and optical modes.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the dispersion relation for a diatomic linear chain and questions why it does not reduce to the acoustic dispersion relation when the masses are equal.
  • Another participant suggests that the issue may stem from a misunderstanding of trigonometric equations.
  • A later reply elaborates on the problem with the plus-minus sign in the dispersion relation, indicating it leads to two phase-shifted solutions and questions how to eliminate the optical mode.
  • Some participants assert that both modes are correct and emphasize that the presence of two atoms in the basis leads to two modes, which is not inherently impossible.
  • There is a discussion about the behavior of the dispersion relation at zone boundaries when the two atoms become identical.
  • One participant argues that a single-atom chain should only exhibit one mode, questioning the transition from a two-atom to a single-atom model.
  • Another participant clarifies that the description using a lattice with two atoms leads to two bands, regardless of the masses being equal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of mass equality in the context of the dispersion relation. While some agree that both modes exist and are valid, others question the transition from a two-atom to a single-atom model, indicating a lack of consensus on the interpretation of the results.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of the dispersion relation in diatomic chains and the dependence on the chosen lattice description. There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the transition between different models.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying solid-state physics, particularly in the context of phonon dispersion relations and the behavior of diatomic lattices.

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Hi. Here's the dispersion relation for a diatomic linear chain, where the distance is a/2 between each atom.
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My issue here is that if you set m_1=m_2=m, i.e. set both atoms equal to each other, it doesn't automatically reduce to the old acoustic dispersion relation as the ± term doesn't disappear.

What's up with that?
 
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I can't see any problem. Maybe you should fresh up your knowledge of the trigonometric equations?
 
DrDu said:
I can't see any problem. Maybe you should fresh up your knowledge of the trigonometric equations?
OK, sorry I should've written everything out in details in the OP. My problem is that the plus-minus sign is being problematic. It gives two solutions that are phase-shifted with regards to each other. Setting the masses equal, the equation from OP reduces to:

##\omega^2 = K(2/m) \pm K \sqrt{(2/m)^2 - (2/m)^2 sin^2{ka/2}} = \frac{2K}{m}(1 \pm cos(ka/2)) \Rightarrow \omega_+ = \sqrt{\frac{4K}{m}} |cos(ka/4)|## & ## \omega_- = \sqrt{\frac{4K}{m}} |sin(ka/4)|##.

How do I get rid of the ##\omega_+## term, the optical mode? Which physical argument makes it invalid?
 
They are both correct. Note that your basis contains two atoms and not just one, so that a is different.
 
DrDu said:
They are both correct. Note that your basis contains two atoms and not just one, so that a is different.
If you graph both of them in a diagram, you get a dispersion relation with 2 modes! This is supposed to be impossible, isn't it?
 
No, it isn't. You have a basis with two atoms, so you get two modes, an acoustic one and an optical one. However, when the two atoms become identical, the two curves will touch at the zone boundaries.
Do you know the difference between a reduced and an extended zone scheme? Here it is for the example of a quasi-free electron:
http://www.pha.jhu.edu/~jeffwass/2ndYrSem/pics/Slide19.JPG
 
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I think I do, yes. But in the case of a single-atom chain there should be only one mode regardless of what basis or zone scheme you choose. Right?
 
I mean, the two-atom chain with masses m_1 and m_2 should turn into a standard single-atom chain if we set m_1=m_2=m. So the dispersion relation should go from just one mode to two, right?
 
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It doesn't because you chose to describe it using a lattice with a cell containing two atoms instead of one. Given N atoms for a whole crystal, you can describe it in terms of either N k-values forming one band or N/2 k-values forming two bands.
 
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DrDu said:
It doesn't because you chose to describe it using a lattice with a cell containing two atoms instead of one. Given N atoms for a whole crystal, you can describe it in terms of either N k-values forming one band or N/2 k-values forming two bands.
I think I get all of this now. It's got to do with the reduced/extended scheme ways of viewing the dispersion relation. thanks.
 

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