Does dot product always commute?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the dot product, particularly its commutativity in the context of vectors and tensors. Participants explore whether the dot product is always commutative or if there are exceptions based on the type of mathematical objects involved.

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  • Participants question the commutativity of the dot product, especially in relation to tensors versus vectors. There is a consideration of orthogonality and its potential impact on the dot product's properties. Some express confusion regarding the notation used in their reference material.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and raising questions about the nature of the dot product. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between orthogonality and the dot product, but no consensus has been reached on the broader implications for tensors.

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I thought the dot product was commutative but there must be something about it that I don't understand. Perhaps the dot product is commutative only for vectors and not for tensors generally?

In Kusse and Westwig, p70, it says that the order of terms matters because, in general,

\hat{e}_j \hat{e}_k\cdot\hat{e}_l does not equal \hat{e}_l\cdot\hat{e}_j\hat{e}_k

(the e's are all basis vector e's but I did not know how to show that)

[Kusse and Westwig, Mathematical Physics 2e (Wiley 2006)]
 
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I just realized something, after posting my question. The reason the dot product is not generally commutative probably has to do with whether the vectors or tensors are orthogonal.
Is that it? I think what confused me was that the book uses subscripts j, k, and l. That should not have confused me but it probably did and I assumed orthogonality.
 
I do not know about tensors, but the dot product of vectors is commutative. However, the dot product of orthogonal vectors = 0
 
Pollywoggy said:
I thought the dot product was commutative but there must be something about it that I don't understand. Perhaps the dot product is commutative only for vectors and not for tensors generally?

In Kusse and Westwig, p70, it says that the order of terms matters because, in general,

\hat{e}_j \hat{e}_k\cdot\hat{e}_l does not equal \hat{e}_l\cdot\hat{e}_j\hat{e}_k

(the e's are all basis vector e's but I did not know how to show that)

[Kusse and Westwig, Mathematical Physics 2e (Wiley 2006)]

If your basis vectors are orthogonal, then the two expressions that you show are both zero, therefore equal. However, I am not sure what you mean by "dot product". If you mean "inner product" then it is strictly a scalar or zero rank tensor. The two expressions that you show are vectors (first rank tensors) pointing in different directions, one along "j" and the other along "k" so they are not generally equal.
 

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