Does Increasing Ramp Angle Double Ball Speed?

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Increasing the ramp angle does not double the ball's speed due to the trigonometric relationships involved in the motion. The speed of the ball is influenced by its initial height and gravitational acceleration, rather than solely by the angle of the incline. The equations provided illustrate that the cosine and sine values for the angles do not support a doubling of speed when the angle is doubled. The discussion emphasizes the importance of understanding acceleration along the incline and how it relates to speed as a function of time. Overall, the conclusion is that a steeper angle does not equate to double the speed for the object rolling down the incline.
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A ball is rolled down a frictionless incline at some angle \theta below the horizontal. If you increase the angle of the incline by a factor of two (make the ramp steeper downward by twice as much), does the ball roll down at double the speed?

Here is what I said:

No. because of the following relation

\[<br /> \begin{array}{l}<br /> Speed = \sqrt {\left( {v_i \cos \left( \theta \right)t} \right)^2 + \left( {h + v_i \sin \left( \theta \right)t + \frac{1}{2}gt^2 } \right)^2 } \\ <br /> 2Speed \ne \sqrt {\left( {v_i \cos \left( {2\theta } \right)t} \right)^2 + \left( {h + v_i \sin \left( {2\theta } \right)t + \frac{1}{2}gt^2 } \right)^2 } \\ <br /> \end{array}<br /> \]<br />

Where v_i is the initial velocity of the ball, \theta is the angle of the ramp below the horizontal, h is the initial height of the ball, g is the acceleration due to gravity, and t time.because

<br /> \[<br /> \begin{array}{l}<br /> \cos (\theta ) \ne \cos (2\theta ) \\ <br /> \sin (\theta ) \ne \sin (2\theta ) \\ <br /> 0 &lt; \theta &lt; \frac{\pi }{2} \\ <br /> \end{array}<br /> \]<br />Is this a correct way to show that increasing the downward angle by a factor of two does not double the speed of the object rolling down the incline?
 
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Why not just write an expression for the acceleration along the incline as a function of angle? (Are you concerned with something rolling, or did you just mean sliding without friciton?)

I assume you mean speed as a function of time as it goes down the incline. The speed at the bottom will only depend on the height.
 
It is speed as a function of time, and I guess the object could be rolling or sliding with no resistance.

Even though my answer isn't the simpliest, is it still a correct way to show that increasing the downward angle by a factor of two does not double the speed?

What is the simplest way to show that the increasing the downward slope of the ramp by a factor of two does not double the speed?
 
opticaltempest said:
Even though my answer isn't the simpliest, is it still a correct way to show that increasing the downward angle by a factor of two does not double the speed?
I don't understand your equation, since you have speed on one side but distance on the other.

What is the simplest way to show that the increasing the downward slope of the ramp by a factor of two does not double the speed?
Imagine a block sliding down a frictionless slope making an angle \theta with the horizontal. What's its acceleration down the incline?
 
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