Does Normal Force change with new Force diagram?

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The discussion revolves around the forces acting on a skier being pulled up a 15° incline, specifically focusing on the normal force (FN) and its relationship to the gravitational force (FG) and tension force (FT). Participants are analyzing the implications of changing the orientation of the free-body diagram on the calculations of these forces.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the orientation of forces in a free-body diagram and how this affects the calculations of force components. Questions are raised about the correct application of trigonometric functions based on the angles assigned to each force.

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There is an ongoing exploration of how to properly represent the forces in the diagram and the implications of rotating the diagram. Some participants are providing insights on the relationship between the angles and the corresponding trigonometric values, while others express difficulty in visualizing these components.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of applying trigonometric functions to forces based on their angles, with specific attention to the effects of redrawing the diagram. There is an emphasis on understanding the components of gravitational force in relation to the incline.

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All degrees are measured from the positive x-axis.

FG = Force of gravity
FN = Normal force
FT = Force of tension

Problem:

A skier is being pulled up a 15° incline by a rope. I'm solving for FT. The only forces acting on the skier are FG, FN, and FT.

Attempt at a solution:

Initially, my free-body diagram shows the FG at 270°, FN at 105°, and FT at 15°.

Let's say I redraw my free-body diagram such that FG points at 255° FN at 90°, and FT at 0° (or 360°).

FyG =-mgcosθ. What I want to know is, does my FyN = +mgcosθ, or just +mg?
 
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If the angle is 90 degrees, what's cosine of 90 degrees?

Make sure you don't just blindly apply equations, you must know where those equations come from. If you rotate your diagram, changing the "theta", your equations must necessarily take this into account.
 
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Thanks for the reply, Matterwave.

I understand what you are saying. It's hard for me to look at a straight line (like in the case of FG at 270°) and apply trigonometric values.

I can see that if we correlate sinθ with the y-axis, and cosθ with the x-axis, that FG at 270° = mgsinθ where sin(270°) = -1, thus we typically refer to FG as -mg, associating the negative sign with the direction of gravitational acceleration.

Thus, the answer to my question is FyN = +mgcosθ.
 
I understand what you are saying. It's hard for me to look at a straight line (like in the case of FG at 270°) and apply trigonometric values.

Think to yourself... What is the component of FG that acts in the FT direction? and what is the component of FG that acts at 90 degrees to FT. Draw these it on your diagram and you will see they form a right angle triangle. Only then apply the trig.

Personally I don't think redrawing the diagram rotated 15 degrees makes it easier to understand.
 

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