Double Integral in Polar Coordinates: Evaluating and Solving for Limits

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a double integral by converting it into polar coordinates. The integral in question involves the expression \(\int_0^{4a} \int_{y^2/4a}^y \dfrac{x^2-y^2}{x^2+y^2} dx dy\) and requires understanding the limits of integration in polar coordinates, particularly for the region bounded by the parabola \(y^2=4ax\) and the line \(y=x\).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the substitution of Cartesian coordinates to polar coordinates and the transformation of the integrand. There are questions about the appropriateness of the polar substitution and whether to perform the inner x-integration first. Some participants suggest visualizing the region of integration and converting the equations to polar form to clarify the limits of integration.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the limits of integration in polar coordinates, with some participants suggesting that a visual representation of the region may aid in understanding. A specific polar equation for the parabola has been proposed, along with suggested limits for \(\theta\). However, there is no consensus on the correctness of the polar equation, as some participants express confusion regarding the sign of \(r\) and the overall formulation of the double integral.

Contextual Notes

Participants are required to solve the problem using polar coordinates, which influences their approach to the integration limits and the setup of the integral. There is a focus on ensuring that the equations accurately represent the geometric region of integration.

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Homework Statement


Evaluate the integral by changing into polar coordinates.
\displaystyle \int_0^{4a} \int_{y^2/4a}^y \dfrac{x^2-y^2}{x^2+y^2} dx dy

The Attempt at a Solution


Substituting x=rcos theta and y=rsin theta , the integrand changes to cos 2 \theta r dr d \theta . I know that the region of integration is the area bounded by parabola y^2=4ax and y=x. However, I don't know the limits of r and theta.
 
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utkarshakash said:

Homework Statement


Evaluate the integral by changing into polar coordinates.
\displaystyle \int_0^{4a} \int_{y^2/4a}^y \dfrac{x^2-y^2}{x^2+y^2} dx dy

The Attempt at a Solution


Substituting x=rcos theta and y=rsin theta , the integrand changes to cos 2 \theta r dr d \theta . I know that the region of integration is the area bounded by parabola y^2=4ax and y=x. However, I don't know the limits of r and theta.

Perhaps you should not use ##x = r \cos \theta, \: y = r \sin \theta##. Why would you not just do the inner x-integration first, then do the y-integration?
 
utkarshakash said:

Homework Statement


Evaluate the integral by changing into polar coordinates.
\displaystyle \int_0^{4a} \int_{y^2/4a}^y \dfrac{x^2-y^2}{x^2+y^2} dx dy

The Attempt at a Solution


Substituting x=rcos theta and y=rsin theta , the integrand changes to cos 2 \theta r dr d \theta . I know that the region of integration is the area bounded by parabola y^2=4ax and y=x. However, I don't know the limits of r and theta.

Have you drawn a picture of that region? Have you written the equation of that parabola in polar coordinates? You need to do both. Then think of a point inside the region. It will move from ##r=0## to ##r## on the parabola. Once you draw that you should be able to see what values ##\theta## must vary between.
 
Ray Vickson said:
Perhaps you should not use ##x = r \cos \theta, \: y = r \sin \theta##. Why would you not just do the inner x-integration first, then do the y-integration?
Because I'm required to solve it by changing into polar coordinates.
 
LCKurtz said:
Have you drawn a picture of that region? Have you written the equation of that parabola in polar coordinates? You need to do both. Then think of a point inside the region. It will move from ##r=0## to ##r## on the parabola. Once you draw that you should be able to see what values ##\theta## must vary between.
The polar equation of given parabola will be ##r=-2a/(1+cos \theta)##. The limit of theta is pi/4 to pi/2. Integrating the expression wrt r I'm left with ##\int_{\pi/4}^{\pi/2} \dfrac{-2a cos 2 \theta}{1+cos \theta} d \theta ##
 
utkarshakash said:
The polar equation of given parabola will be ##r=-2a/(1+cos \theta)##. The limit of theta is pi/4 to pi/2. Integrating the expression wrt r I'm left with ##\int_{\pi/4}^{\pi/2} \dfrac{-2a cos 2 \theta}{1+cos \theta} d \theta ##

It looks like you have figured out the limits now, but I don't get the same equation for the parabola. Surely ##r## shouldn't be negative. And let's see the double integral after you have put it in polar coordinates and before you integrate it.
 

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