Dynamic resistance vs temperature measurement for ribbon transducer

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The discussion focuses on the experimental analysis of ribbon transducers, specifically examining dynamic resistance versus temperature measurements. A ribbon transducer consists of a metal foil element suspended in a magnetic gap, where current generates an electromagnetic field that causes the foil to bend. The use of a scanning laser vibrometer system for modal analysis is recommended. The conversation also highlights the practical applications of ribbon transducers in microphones and loudspeakers, emphasizing the importance of temperature effects on resistance and sound pressure efficiency.

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  • Understanding of ribbon transducer mechanics and operation
  • Familiarity with electromagnetic field interactions
  • Knowledge of modal analysis techniques, specifically using scanning laser vibrometers
  • Basic principles of dynamic resistance and temperature measurement
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I'm interested in doing an experimental analysis of ribbon transducers to contrast with simulations. This data could be made available to the community to aid in transducer development.

A ribbon transducer consists of a rectangular element of metal foil suspended within a magnetic gap and clamped at its ends (ie a clamped-clamped membrane). Current is applied to the foil, which produces an electromagnetic field that interacts with the magnetic field generated by the permanent magnets. The foil bends in response to this force.

A modal analysis could be conducted with the use of a scanning laser vibrometer system. This would appear sufficient for the task.
http://www.polytec.com/usa/158_918.asp

A dynamic resistance vs temperature measurement of the foil would appear to be valuable. However, I'm not sure what instrumentation would be required or how to set up such an experiment.

Any thoughts?
 
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thadman said:
I'm interested in doing an experimental analysis of ribbon transducers to contrast with simulations. This data could be made available to the community to aid in transducer development.

A ribbon transducer consists of a rectangular element of metal foil suspended within a magnetic gap and clamped at its ends (ie a clamped-clamped membrane). Current is applied to the foil, which produces an electromagnetic field that interacts with the magnetic field generated by the permanent magnets. The foil bends in response to this force.

A modal analysis could be conducted with the use of a scanning laser vibrometer system. This would appear sufficient for the task.
http://www.polytec.com/usa/158_918.asp

A dynamic resistance vs temperature measurement of the foil would appear to be valuable. However, I'm not sure what instrumentation would be required or how to set up such an experiment.

Any thoughts?

Could you please say a bit more about the practical applications that would use this type of sensor? Is it used in particle accelerators or plasma fusion confinement field measurements or something? Why does the temperature variable come into play? Is this sensor normally used for static field measurements, or does it have to have some frequency response capability?
 
berkeman said:
Could you please say a bit more about the practical applications that would use this type of sensor? Is it used in particle accelerators or plasma fusion confinement field measurements or something? Why does the temperature variable come into play? Is this sensor normally used for static field measurements, or does it have to have some frequency response capability?

A ribbon transducer is used as a microphone and/or loudspeaker. Here is a diagram of a ribbon microphone: http://www.shurenotes.com/issue37/images/images/article1_13.gif

Assuming it is used as a loudspeaker, current is applied to the foil to create sound pressure. The loudspeaker is <10% efficient due to the poor membrane-fluid coupling, which results in a majority of the energy being converted to heat. Resistance increases with temperature, which results in clipping of the waveform. I'd like to measure this effect.
 
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