Electric Field of a ring , mathematically

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The discussion focuses on the electric field produced by a ring with a uniform line charge at a distance along its axis. Participants explore the mathematical proof of the cancellation of the radial component of the electric field due to symmetry, specifically using a cylindrical coordinate system.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the expression for the radial component of the electric field and asks for a mathematical proof of its cancellation due to symmetry.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify the mathematical formulation and emphasizes the need to express the radial unit vector in a constant basis to evaluate the integral.
  • Concerns are raised about the nature of the radial vector, with participants questioning why it is not considered a constant vector in the context of the integral.
  • A participant explains that as the angle theta changes, the direction of the radial vector also changes, which affects the evaluation of the integral.

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Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the treatment of the radial vector in the mathematical formulation. There is no consensus on the explanation of why the radial vector is not constant, indicating an unresolved aspect of the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the properties of vectors in cylindrical coordinates and the implications for integrating over the angle theta. The mathematical steps and reasoning are not fully resolved.

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This is about the electric field of a ring with radius r, at a distance z from center, along the axis of the ring. The ring carries a uniform line charge
λ
. We always say that the radial component of the field cancels out due to symmetry. Can somebody tell how to prove it mathematically (using cylindrical coordinate system only)?

dErad=−14πϵ0rλdθ(r2+z2)rˆ

Erad=−14πϵ0rλ(r2+z2)∫2π0rˆdθ
 
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Welcome to PF, MinaKaiser! :smile:
MinaKaiser said:
This is about the electric field of a ring with radius r, at a distance z from center, along the axis of the ring. The ring carries a uniform line charge
λ
. We always say that the radial component of the field cancels out due to symmetry. Can somebody tell how to prove it mathematically (using cylindrical coordinate system only)?

dErad=−14πϵ0rλdθ(r2+z2)rˆ

Erad=−14πϵ0rλ(r2+z2)∫2π0rˆdθ

First, let's clean up your formula.

I get:

[tex]d\vec E_{rad} = - {1 \over 4\pi \epsilon_o} \cdot {\lambda r d\theta \over r^2 + z^2} \cdot {r \over \sqrt{r^2 + z^2}} \hat r[/tex]

[tex]\vec E_{rad} = - {1 \over 4\pi \epsilon_o} \cdot {\lambda r d\theta \over r^2 + z^2}\cdot {r \over \sqrt{r^2 + z^2}} \int_0^{2\pi} \hat r d\theta[/tex]So what we need is:
[tex]\int_0^{2\pi} \hat r d\theta = 0[/tex]

Since [itex]\hat r[/itex] is not a constant vector, we rewrite it in a basis that is constant:

[tex]\hat r = \hat x \cos \theta + \hat y \sin \theta[/tex]

So
[tex]\int_0^{2\pi} \hat r d\theta = \int_0^{2\pi} (\hat x \cos \theta + \hat y \sin \theta) d\theta[/tex]

Can you see that this is zero?
 
I dont' get it , Why r is not a constant vector ?
 
MinaKaiser said:
I dont' get it , Why r is not a constant vector ?
Here's a picture of cylindrical coordinates:
CylindricalCoordinates_1001.gif


At some point (r, theta, z) we have a local basis which contains [itex]\hat r[/itex].
But if theta is increased, the direction of [itex]\hat r[/itex] changes.
 

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