Electricity and Magnetism Question

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The problem involves an equilateral triangle with vertices A, B, and C, where two equal positive charges are located at A and B. Participants are tasked with finding the electric potential at point C, the work required to bring a charge from infinity to C, and the work necessary to assemble a system of three charges. Additionally, there is a consideration of a different system involving a positive and a negative charge, with a focus on the equipotential surface.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of electric potential formulas and the superposition principle to find the potential at point C. There are attempts to relate potential energy and work done in the context of the charges involved.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about their approaches and calculations, particularly regarding the relationships between the charges and the distances involved.
  • Questions arise about the assumptions made regarding the signs of the charges and the implications for energy changes in the system.
  • There is mention of using differentiation of electric potential to find the electric field at a midpoint between two charges.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations and approaches being explored. Some participants have provided potential expressions and attempted to relate them to work done, while others express doubt about their understanding and seek further clarification. No explicit consensus has been reached on the methods or results.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the exam questions compared to previous homework, indicating a potential gap in understanding or preparation for this type of problem. There is also a mention of reliance on textbook references for some of the answers provided.

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Homework Statement


The points A,B,C are the vertices of an equilateral triangle, of side L. Two equal positive charges q are at A and B.

A)Find the electric potential at C assuming V=0 at infinity
B) Give the expression for the work necessary to bring a positive charge Q from infinity to C
C)Write the expression for the work necessary to assemble the system of 3 charges, consisting of two charges q at A and B and a charge Q at C
Consider the system of three charges. By differentiating the elctric potential,determine the electric field E at the midpoint between the two charges q.

Consider now a system of 2 charges, a point charge q>0 at (x,y,z) = (a, 0 , 0) and a point charge -q/2 at (-a,0,0)Show that the quipontential surface V=0. ie. with the same potential than at infinity is a spherical surface. Determine the centre and the radius of the sphere.

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OK, I can do all the homework sheets, but these exam questions are killing me :-(, here's my attempts:#

We have a triangle, with 2 positive charges and one unknown charge.
If the unkown is positive we lose energy and if negative we gain energy.

Possible pairs
q1 q2 q2q3 q1q3 (I've divided by half already)
I assume that we use something simliar to \int E.da= Qinternal/Eo

or we use the superposition principle, and add A and B together. using coloumbs law. E=k qi, q2 / r^2

In the first case, I have no idea.
IN the second case, I think r^2 is just length A and length B so:

E=k. q ^2
A.B
Is this horribly wrong as I believe it is?

For part B.
I use phi=qi over 4 pi Eo Rij

along with W=qphi

to figure out.

U= q1 q2 over 4 pi Eo r12

in which case we have

U= q^2 over 4 pi Eo (2 (sqrt(half c^2 +D^2))

Part C
I have no idea, Do we use the previous formula in some manner?

Part D

du/dr = q1q2/ 4pi Eo r^2

From there, I have no idea, would r be half AB?

Part E
Sorry :-(

So yeah, this is quite shameful really, didn't expect not to be able to do any of this paper's B section!
 
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I definently could be wrong as I'm taking physics 2 right now and will have to drop it haha but here's my shot at part A.

Since V=kq/r (assuming V=0 at infinity), and potential difference is a scalar quantity, meaning direction doesn't have to be taken into account, then to find the potential difference at point C, we would just take the \Sigma(kq/r) of the two point charges that are a distance L, (because triangle is equilateral), from point C.

Therefore the potential difference at point C--V=2kq/L
 
Part B W=\DeltaKE=-\DeltaU

Vq=U
In part A we found out that the potential difference at point C is V=2kq/L

U=(2kq/L)*Q=2kqQ/L

W=-\DeltaU=-2kqQ/L
 
Hi, thanks for replying!
As I do not underestand how to do this question.. I'll wait for others to answer too before taking your answer as legit. It seems to make sense for A, B I'm not so sure about as I copied what I wrote in my answer off a book..
Thanks again.
 
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We have a triangle, with 2 positive charges and one unknown charge.
There is mention of the third charge at C.
A)Find the potential at C due to charges at A and B.
B)Work done on a charge = Q*potential difference.
C) Energy in a system of charges = k*q1*q2/r. So total PE of the system = k(q^2 + 2qQ)/r
 

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