Electrons with in the forbidden gap

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The discussion revolves around the concept of electrons within the forbidden gap of semiconductors, particularly the implications of the Fermi level and the probability of finding electrons in this energy range. Participants explore the apparent contradictions between theoretical definitions and practical observations, focusing on the behavior of electrons at absolute zero and above.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the contradiction between the assertion that the probability of finding electrons in the forbidden gap is zero and the definition of the Fermi level as the highest filled energy level at absolute zero, which lies within the gap.
  • Another participant clarifies that the Fermi level is a concept primarily applicable to metals and that in semiconductors, the chemical potential can be within the band gap, although the strict definition of the Fermi level cannot be.
  • A participant mentions that the Fermi level is derived from Fermi-Dirac statistics but emphasizes the importance of considering the density of states, which is zero in the forbidden gap, affecting the number of electrons present.
  • Several participants express their own confusion regarding the topic, indicating that it is a common area of misunderstanding among those studying semiconductor physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of confusion and differing interpretations regarding the Fermi level and the presence of electrons in the forbidden gap. No consensus is reached on the resolution of these issues, and multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the definitions and implications of the Fermi level may depend on the context of metals versus semiconductors, and that assumptions about the density of states play a crucial role in understanding electron behavior in the forbidden gap.

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Hi all, on one side we say that probability of finding electron with in the forbidden gap is zero, on other side we define fermi level as highest filled energy level(at absolute zero) lying in the mid of forbidden gap.Also for(T>0) probability of finding electron is 1/2 upto fermi level. So what's that dilemma?
Electrons are lying with in the forbidden gap! or some-thing is mis-understood here.
Please reply
 
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Strictly speaking the Fermi level in the meaning as you use it, is a concept, which is just valid for metals, which do not have a band gap. In metals the Fermi level equals the electron chemical potential (the energy you need to bring into the system to add another particle.) at 0K.

Now some textbooks are a bit sloppy and identify the chemical potential with the Fermi energy even for semiconductors, where the chemical potential can of course be equal to an energy inside the band gap, but the Fermi level in its strictest meaning of course can't.
 
GAGS said:
Hi all, on one side we say that probability of finding electron with in the forbidden gap is zero, on other side we define fermi level as highest filled energy level(at absolute zero) lying in the mid of forbidden gap.Also for(T>0) probability of finding electron is 1/2 upto fermi level. So what's that dilemma?
Electrons are lying with in the forbidden gap! or some-thing is mis-understood here.
Please reply

This is almost identical to a question posted a while back that had been answered already.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=133914

Are you sure you're not the same person?

Zz.
 
Wow, Zz you sure have a good memory. That thread was dated 2 years ago! Anyway it isn't surprising that this question has been asked multiple times. I myself had similar doubts about this when I first learned semiconductor physics.
 
Defennder said:
Wow, Zz you sure have a good memory. That thread was dated 2 years ago! Anyway it isn't surprising that this question has been asked multiple times. I myself had similar doubts about this when I first learned semiconductor physics.

True. This is a rather common question. In fact, I can recall of at least another thread asking almost the same thing.

Like an elephant, I never forget. Now where are my keys?

Zz.
 
Thank you so much to all of you.Yes no doubt Zapper Z has very sharp memory. No sir i am not the same person to ask question.
 
i also confused about it when i m studying the semiconductor now...i had doubt like the statement/question post by GAGS
 
The Fermi level comes from Fermi-Dirac statistics. But it's not the only distribution function. You also have to think about the density of states. And while the Fermi-Dirac function F(E) (E - energy) might be non-zero in the forbidden gap the density of states g(E) is zero. The number of electrons with a specific energy N(E) is given by N(E) = F(E)g(E).
 
I found your keys, Zap, you left them in another thread.
 

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