Electrostatics and band structures?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between electrostatics, electron densities, and band structures in materials, particularly metals and polymers. Participants explore how charging a sample might influence its electronic properties, including density of states and mean free path of electrons.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that charging a material does not generally change the band structure but may raise or lower the Fermi level.
  • Others argue that in certain materials, particularly those that are "exotic," significant changes in charge can lead to structural changes that affect the band structure.
  • A participant questions whether an excess of electrons in a negatively charged material would decrease the electron mean free path due to increased collisions in the conduction band.
  • Another participant notes that in standard metals, the mean free path is primarily influenced by lattice scattering, with electron-electron scattering becoming relevant only at low temperatures.
  • One participant raises the question of whether changes in electron density could affect the reflection and absorption mechanisms of materials.
  • There is also inquiry about the practical methods for achieving and measuring electrostatic potential in laboratory settings, mentioning the Van de Graff machine and electroscopes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that under normal electrostatic conditions, the band structure is not affected. However, there are competing views regarding the effects of excess or depleted electrons on properties like mean free path and absorption mechanisms, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the effects of charging on electronic properties may depend on the specific material and conditions, and there are limitations in understanding how significant changes in charge could influence structural properties.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying materials science, condensed matter physics, or electrostatics, particularly in relation to the electronic properties of charged materials.

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Hi all,
Recently got to thinking about electrostatics and electron densities and band structures. If you have an electrostatically charged piece of material, say for example, a metal, does the density of states of that metal change because of the depletion of electrons? Alternately, if you have an excess of electrons in a metal does it mean that the metal will have an increased density of states in the conduction band?

Basically, does charging a sample (metal/polymer etc.) change the electroninc properties of the sample?

Many thanks for any any input
 
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gareth said:
Hi all,
Recently got to thinking about electrostatics and electron densities and band structures. If you have an electrostatically charged piece of material, say for example, a metal, does the density of states of that metal change because of the depletion of electrons? Alternately, if you have an excess of electrons in a metal does it mean that the metal will have an increased density of states in the conduction band?

Basically, does charging a sample (metal/polymer etc.) change the electroninc properties of the sample?

Many thanks for any any input

Under normal circumstances, you do not change the band structure. All you are doing is raising or lowering the Fermi level.

However, as is normal in this field of study, there are always caveats because it depends on how "exotic" a material you are talking about. If the amount of charges that you have either added or remove causes a noticeable change structurally, then yes, it will now affect the band structure. In strongly correlated system, there is something called the U/W ratio, which is the ratio of the on-site coulombic repulsion to the bandwidth of the density of states. So if we look at, let's say, the Mott-Hubbard-type insulator for example, a significant change of this ratio might change the gap between the lower and upper Hubbard bands, thus changing the band structure. But again, this is something that you do not often see for ordinary metals and removal of electrons within typical working conditions.

Zz.
 
Thanks fo the reply, It is now apparent that under 'normal' electrostatic conditions the band structure is not affected (generally).

However, in a negatively charged piece of material, will the excess of electrons cause a decrease in the electron mean free path because of the increased number of electrons in the conduction band? I.e if you stimulate(e.g. with a photon) an electron that is present in a negatively charged sample, will that electron have a shorter mean free path due to increased collisions? (assuming that the photon energy is below the work function for that particular material)
 
gareth said:
Thanks fo the reply, It is now apparent that under 'normal' electrostatic conditions the band structure is not affected (generally).

However, in a negatively charged piece of material, will the excess of electrons cause a decrease in the electron mean free path because of the increased number of electrons in the conduction band? I.e if you stimulate(e.g. with a photon) an electron that is present in a negatively charged sample, will that electron have a shorter mean free path due to increased collisions? (assuming that the photon energy is below the work function for that particular material)


In a standard metal, the electron mean free path is predominantly dominated by scattering with the lattice, at least for wide-ranging temperatures. Electron-electron scattering doesn't show up until at sufficiently low temperatures. Furthermore, you have to stuff A LOT of electrons here for such a thing to start being affected, and I would think such a metal would be unstable (think of breakdown effects) before you can actually start seeing the effects of the added electrons.

Zz.
 
Thanks again for the reply ZapperZ.
This brings me to another question, will an excess/depletion of electrons cause a change in the refelection/absorption mechanism of a given material?
Also, to practically achieve and measure the electrostatic potential in a sample in the lab, what do you need. I see a commom source of electrostatic electricity is the Van de Graff machine, and an electroscope is used to measure the potential. Are these instruments used in modern studies of electrostatics, i.e. how does on go about achieving an overall net charge in a sample?
 

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