Energy dissipated by resistor problem

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The problem involves a 10 Ω resistor with a current that varies over time, and participants are tasked with determining the energy dissipated by the resistor after 5 seconds. The discussion revolves around the interpretation of power and energy calculations in the context of varying current.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate energy dissipated using average current over the entire time interval, leading to confusion regarding the correct approach. Some participants suggest that the average value of current squared should be used instead. Others question the book's method of calculating energy over a shorter time segment and whether it is appropriate to neglect periods of zero current when discussing power.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of energy and power calculations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the necessity of considering the average current squared for accurate energy calculations. The discussion is ongoing, with no explicit consensus reached on the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted discrepancy between the original poster's calculations and the book's answer, leading to questions about the assumptions made regarding the time intervals used in calculations. Participants are also reflecting on the implications of neglecting periods of zero current in different contexts.

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Homework Statement


A 10 Ω resistor carries a current that varies as a function of time as shown. How much energy has been dissipated by the resistor after 5 s?
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a. 40 J
b. 50 J
c. 80 J
d. 120 J

Homework Equations


I=dq/dt → dq=Idt → Q=∫Idt
P=∇E/∇t and V=IR (Ohm's Law) so P=IV ⇒ P=I^2R

The Attempt at a Solution


My approach[/B]
For the first 5 seconds, the area under the curve is 6C, which is the total charge that was transferred through the resistor. Thus, the average current I=6C/5s=6/5 A
Since P=I^2R and P=E/∇t ⇒ E=I^2R∇t=(6/5A)^2(10Ω)(5s)= 72J
Clearly this is none of the answer choices, and I don't know where I went wrong.

Book's Approach
The book claims that D is correct, and states:
Since the current was 2A over 3s, the total energy dissipated is
E=(2A)^2(10Ω)(3s)=120J

I genuinely don't understand the book's approach. Power is by definition, the rate of energy transfer (in this case transformation to a different form) with respect to time. Here, the power MUST be computed over the 5 seconds in question, regardless of whether there was 0 current passing through for 2 seconds.
Ultimately, why did the book use 3 seconds as ∇t? Is this allowed, and why is my approach flawed?
Thank you all in advance.
 

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CynicalBiochemist said:
For the first 5 seconds, the area under the curve is 6C, which is the total charge that was transferred through the resistor. Thus, the average current I=6C/5s=6/5 A
Since P=I^2R and P=E/∇t ⇒ E=I^2R∇t=(6/5A)^2(10Ω)(5s)= 72J
Clearly this is none of the answer choices, and I don't know where I went wrong.
You found the average current. But since power is proportional to current squared, to use your approach you'd need the average value of current squared. (Which is not equal to the square of the average current.)

CynicalBiochemist said:
Here, the power MUST be computed over the 5 seconds in question, regardless of whether there was 0 current passing through for 2 seconds.
They did compute the energy over all 5 seconds. Since there was no energy used during the time the current was zero, you can skip that segment.
 
Doc Al said:
You found the average current. But since power is proportional to current squared, to use your approach you'd need the average value of current squared. (Which is not equal to the square of the average current.)They did compute the energy over all 5 seconds. Since there was no energy used during the time the current was zero, you can skip that segment.
Thanks Doc. I am starting to understand why their approach works for computing energy. But let's say they asked for the power generated by the resistor for the 5 second interval.
Would the answer then be
P=120J/3s= 40W ?
I.e., can we again neglect that 2 second segment where no energy was generated? And if so, why?
Btw I'm sorry if I'm asking trivial questions, I've never been good at physics lol.
 
CynicalBiochemist said:
But let's say they asked for the power generated by the resistor for the 5 second interval.
Would the answer then be
P=120J/3s= 40W ?
If they asked for the average power over that interval, then the answer would be 120J/5s = 24 W. (That's what I would say.) You cannot neglect any part of the interval if you want the average power over it.

Don't worry about asking trivial questions! Those are the ones that drive you nuts. :smile:
 
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