(Engineering Vectors) Why is this answer correct?

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to engineering vectors, specifically involving the application of the parallelogram law to determine the angle between two vectors in a hoisting scenario. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the expected angle between the vectors and the reasoning behind it.

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  • The original poster questions why the angle between the vectors should be 90 degrees, suggesting an alternative angle of 60 degrees based on their understanding of vector magnitudes. Other participants discuss the implications of the resultant force needing to be vertical and the relationship between the angles of the vectors involved.

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Participants are actively exploring the reasoning behind the angles and the relationships between the forces. There is recognition of the complexity of the problem, with some participants reconsidering their initial assumptions about the angles and the nature of the forces involved.

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There is an emphasis on the need for the resultant force to be vertical, which influences the direction and angle of the vectors. The discussion also highlights the potential misunderstanding regarding the fixed nature of the forces involved in the problem.

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Hello,
I am in engineering 2 at my school and have been trying to figure out why a homework problem has the answer it has. The question and answer is posted below. My question is, how should I have known the angle between the two vectors (when using parallelogram law) should be a 90 degree angle? I understand the length of a vector corresponds to it's magnitude so why shouldn't the angle from Fa to the vector connecting Fa to Fr be 60 degrees since that would've caused the shortest distance to the resultant force? I do not want to continue studying until I understand this so any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

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The problem is of hoisting, which means the resultant force ##F_R## must be strictly vertical. Now, ##F_A## is directed at an angle to the vertical, so ##F_B## must necessarily compensate for the non-vertical component of ##F_A##. Clearly, ##F_B## is smallest when it does nothing else but compensate. Think what direction it must have in this case.
 
I understand completely, this is exactly what logic I was using and is why I am so confused. The problem is, if Fb was only compensating it would have been a 180 degree angle from the x-axis but instead its a 150 degree angle. Why wouldn't it only compensate for the vertical angle by pulling the force to the left and evening out the force in the y direction?
 
Actually now that I think about it more, this logic is flawed. It would have been correct had ##F_A## been fixed. But it is not. It is the sum of ##F_A## and ##F_B## that is fixed, so it is not clear a priori that the magnitude of ##F_B## is smallest when it only compensates.

I think the simplest approach is to assume nothing and express what ##F_B## must be when ##\theta## is arbitrary, then minimize.
 

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