Entropy of Ice-Water: Solving the Puzzle

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The discussion focuses on solving the entropy change for a system involving a 1.30×10-2 kg ice cube at -12.0°C placed in 0.470 kg of water at 50.0°C. The calculations utilize the principles of heat transfer, specifically the equations Qi=Qw and S=Q/T. The final temperature (Tf) is calculated to be 46.98°C, and the total entropy change (S) is determined to be 7.28 J/K. The user initially struggled with the entropy calculation but clarified that after the ice melts, the specific heat of water must be used for further temperature changes.

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Homework Statement


A 1.30×10-2 Kg cube of ice at an initial temperature of -12.0 C is placed in 0.470 Kg of water at 50.0 C in an insulated container of negligible mass.

mi=1.3x10-2 Kg
mw=0.470 Kg
Ti=-12 C
Tw=50 C
ci=2100
cw=4190
Lf=3.34*10^5


Homework Equations


Qi=Qw
S=Q/T


The Attempt at a Solution



okay so first I tried to find Tf
Qi=Qw
mi(Lf+ci(Tf-Ti))=mwcw(Tw-Tf)
1.3x10-2(3.34*105+2100(Tf+12))=0.47*4190(50-Tf)
27.3Tf+327.6+4342=-1969.3Tf+98465
Tf=46.98

for entropy I tried to add up all the stages where ice->0 C + ice->water + ice water->Tf + hot water->Tf

S=[miciln(T2/Ti)]+[miLf/T]+[micw ln(Tf/T)]+mwcw ln(Tf/Tw)
S=[1.3x10-2*2100ln(273.15/261.15)]+[(1.3x10-2*3.34x105/273.15)]+[1.3x10-2*4190 ln(46.98+273.15/273.15)]+[0.470*4190 ln(46.98+273.15/50+273.15)]
=1.2264+15.896+8.644-18.490=7.28

I still get the wrong answer when using this method so if someone could point me in the right direction that would be much appreciated.
 
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But once the ice melts, the H2O (at 0 C) then warms up to the final temperature as liquid water, not ice. So you have to use the specific heat of water for that stage.

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oh I get it now, thanks for the help.
 

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