Equation of Motion: Solving for Mass, Velocity, & Force F(v)

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving the equation of motion for a mass moving in a medium with a drag force, specifically using the chain rule of differentiation. The original poster is attempting to understand how to express the equation of motion in a separated form involving mass, velocity, and the drag force function F(v).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between force, mass, and acceleration, referencing Newton's law. There are attempts to differentiate the equation using the chain rule, with some confusion about the variables involved. Questions arise regarding the proper substitution of the drag force into the equation and how to express the equation in a separable form.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, clarifying the steps needed to derive the equation of motion. Some have expressed understanding of the process, while others are still questioning the role of the drag force and the correct application of the chain rule. There is a sense of progress as participants work through the differentiation and separation of variables.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the drag force being defined as F(v) = -c(v^3/2), but its application in the final equation remains a point of discussion. The original poster is also navigating homework constraints and the expectations of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


A mass m has speed v0 at the origin and coasts along the x-axis in a medium with force F(v). Use the chain rule of differentiation to write the equation of motion in the separated form m*v*dv/F(v)=dx.


Homework Equations


F(v)= -c(v^3/2)


The Attempt at a Solution


So far, i drew a diagram to show what was happening. I know that F(v) is the drag force. I'm really just confused about what the equation of motion is. I know that it is going to have a velocity and mass, I think.
Can anyone help?
 
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The equation of motion is just Newtons law,
F(v) = m a
where a is the acceleration
a = \frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{d^2s}{dt^2}.
 
Okay, that is what i have done so far, is this right,
I have m*v0= -c*v3/2.
then i am suppose to differentiate this using the chain rule which my book is calling the v*dv/dx rule to get a separated form m*v*dv/F(x)=dx. But i don't know what to differentiate with respect to, v or x, but my equation doesn't have an x. So maybe my equation is wrong, I am not quite sure.
 
How do you get the right hand side? Don't use any specific form for F(v), just the equation I gave you.
Then, in m*a, replace a = dv/dt by something which looks like what you want (try dv/dt = dv/dt * something), using the chain rule.
 
So even though the drag force = F(v) i don't sub that part in?
 
No, because there is also an F(v) and not c and v^(3/2) in your final answer.
 
so in the end when i use the chain rule should I end up with the drag force equation? Sorry I am still a little confused.
 
No, they want you to show how you can go from
F(v) = m a
to
F(v) = m v (dv/dx)
using the chain rule, and then rewrite this to
m*v*dv/F(v)=dx.

The point being that the last line is a differential equation for v as a function of x with separated variables (all the v's on one side, all the x's on the other) so you can presumably solve it more easily than solving
m x''(t) = F(x'(t))
for x as a function of t.
 
ok, so understand what i was suppose to do, and got it to work, so was there any reason why they told me what the drag force was?
 
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Probably in the next question they are going to ask you to solve the equation by integrating both sides :smile:
 
  • #11
they do ask me that, so do i substitute that in now for F(v)
 
  • #12
never mind i totally got it to work! thank you for all of the help!
 

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