Error Propagation: Calculating Puck's X-Velocity

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The discussion centers on calculating the error in a puck's x-velocity given its speed and angle. Two methods are proposed for error propagation: one using partial derivatives and the other based on proportionality of errors. The first method yields an expression involving both the velocity and angle errors, while the second suggests a different approach using relative uncertainties. Confusion arises over which method is more appropriate, as both yield different results. Ultimately, the conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding error propagation techniques in physics.
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Given that a puck's velocity is speed v at an angle \theta (measured in radians) with the x-axis, we know that the puck's x-velocity is v\cos(\theta). Given the error in v is \sigma_v and the error in \theta is \sigma_\theta, what is the resulting error in the puck's x-velocity?


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Solving for partials, we get:

\sigma_{v_{x}}=\sqrt{\left(\cos(\theta)\sigma_{v}\right)^2+\left(-v\sin(\theta)\sigma_{\theta}\right)^2}.

Or, using proportionalities of errors, we find:

\sigma_{v_{x}}=\sqrt{\left(\frac{\sigma_{v}}{v}\right)^2{v_{x}}^2+\left(\frac{\sigma_{\theta}}{\theta}\right)^2{v_{x}}^2}.

These yield two different values... Which is a real propagation?
 
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This link touches on dealing with error propagation for angles.
http://instructor.physics.lsa.umich.edu/ip-labs/tutorials/errors/prop.html

Since you are interested in the product of two measured values that would suggest that your second method would be the final step.

But arriving at the fractional uncertainty of the Trig function suggests finding the absolute uncertainty in the function first.

By the Rule 4 at the link I cited above you might model that as σf = dF(θ)/dθ = σθSinθ

From that calculate the relative uncertainty as σθSinθ/Cosθ = σθTanθ ?

By my method I think that would make it

σvx = ((σv/v)2 + (σθTanθ)2)1/2
 
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LowlyPion said:
This link touches on dealing with error propagation for angles.
http://instructor.physics.lsa.umich.edu/ip-labs/tutorials/errors/prop.html

Since you are interested in the product of two measured values that would suggest that your second method would be the final step.

But arriving at the fractional uncertainty of the Trig function suggests finding the absolute uncertainty in the function first.

By the Rule 4 at the link I cited above you might model that as σf = dF(θ)/dθ = σθSinθ

From that calculate the relative uncertainty as σθSinθ/Cosθ = σθTanθ ?

Thank you, Lowly, but I guess I'm still confused. All year we've used the RSS of the partials to show the error in the unknown parameter but, recently, my TA introduced the idea of proportionality of squares. That is, (dC/C)^2 = (dA/A)^2+(dB/B)^2. Which is right?
 
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By my method I think that would make it

σvx = ((σv/v)2 + (σθTanθ)2)1/2
 
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