Escape velocity FROM a satellite in orbit?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the escape velocity for an object launched from a satellite in orbit around the Earth, with a specific orbital radius provided. Participants are exploring the implications of gravitational potential energy and the necessary conditions for escape velocity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to apply the escape velocity formula and questioning how to account for the gravitational potential already overcome by the satellite's orbit. There is discussion about using the work-energy theorem to find the velocity needed for escape and what mass should be considered in the calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the assumptions in the problem and exploring different interpretations of the escape velocity concept. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between gravitational potential and the required velocity, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted complexity regarding the radius used in calculations, as it may differ based on whether the object is considered to be launched from the satellite's surface or from a distance relative to the Earth's center.

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The question:

At what speed would a small object have to be launched from the satellite in order to escape earth’s gravity, assuming that the satellite is not moving?

The satellite is in circular orbit around the Earth and the radius of the orbit is 4.22 x 10^7.

The main problem I am having with this question is figuring out the escape velocity from the equation v = sqrt[(2Gm)/R], m being the body that the object is being launched from and R being its radius.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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vineroon said:
The question:

At what speed would a small object have to be launched from the satellite in order to escape earth’s gravity, assuming that the satellite is not moving?

The satellite is in circular orbit around the Earth and the radius of the orbit is 4.22 x 10^7.

The main problem I am having with this question is figuring out the escape velocity from the equation v = sqrt[(2Gm)/R], m being the body that the object is being launched from and R being its radius.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I think what they are asking is, starting from some point in space, how fast must a rocket be moving to escape Earth all together.

Your equation is based on the Potential that needs to be overcome to get totally free. But if you are already at the initial starting point 4.22*107, then that's potential from gravity that the object has already overcome isn't it?

So ... all it has to do is overcome the difference.
 
LowlyPion said:
I think what they are asking is, starting from some point in space, how fast must a rocket be moving to escape Earth all together.

Your equation is based on the Potential that needs to be overcome to get totally free. But if you are already at the initial starting point 4.22*107, then that's potential from gravity that the object has already overcome isn't it?

So ... all it has to do is overcome the difference.

I understand that somewhat, but how am I supposed to find the velocity from that? Can I just find the work needed for the object to escape Earth using the change in mechanical energy and then use the work-energy theorem? If so, what mass would I use?
 
vineroon said:
I understand that somewhat, but how am I supposed to find the velocity from that? Can I just find the work needed for the object to escape Earth using the change in mechanical energy and then use the work-energy theorem? If so, what mass would I use?

Look at it like this:

1/2*m*v2 = GMm/R - GMm/4.22*107

v2 = (2*GM/R - 2*GM/4.22*107)
 
vineroon said:
The question:

At what speed would a small object have to be launched from the satellite in order to escape earth’s gravity, assuming that the satellite is not moving?

The satellite is in circular orbit around the Earth and the radius of the orbit is 4.22 x 10^7.

The main problem I am having with this question is figuring out the escape velocity from the equation v = sqrt[(2Gm)/R], m being the body that the object is being launched from and R being its radius.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


R equals the radius of the object being launched from only under the special case where you are launching from the object's surface. More generally, it equals your distance from the center of the object.
 

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