Evaluating Volume Integrals and Divergence Theorm

[Thadis]

Homework Statement

Evaluate the integral as either a volume integral of a surface integral, whichever is easier.

\iiint \nabla .F\,d\tau over the region x^2+y^2+z^2 \leq 25, where F=(x^2+y^2+z^2)(x*i+y*j+z*k)

Homework Equations

\iiint \nabla .F\,d\tau =\iint F.n\,d\sigma

The Attempt at a Solution

I believe this would be easier to do as a volume integral though I am honestly not sure saying I am not really understand how things like line integrals and surface integrals work in the sense of things like Stokes Theorm and Div. Theorm.

For the volume intregral I did just integrated the Div(F) from -5 to 5 for all three integrals saying that is the range each of the variables will go through. I plugged this into Wolfram Alpha and got an answer of 25000 though I am not sure if I did this question correctly.

If I wanted to do a solve this using the right hand side of the Div. Theorem how would I approach this?

 

[LCKurtz]

Homework Statement

Evaluate the integral as either a volume integral of a surface integral, whichever is easier.

\iiint \nabla .F\,d\tau over the region x^2+y^2+z^2 \leq 25, where F=(x^2+y^2+z^2)(x*i+y*j+z*k)

Homework Equations

\iiint \nabla .F\,d\tau =\iint F.n\,d\sigma

The Attempt at a Solution

I believe this would be easier to do as a volume integral though I am honestly not sure saying I am not really understand how things like line integrals and surface integrals work in the sense of things like Stokes Theorm and Div. Theorm.

For the volume intregral I did just integrated the Div(F) from -5 to 5 for all three integrals saying that is the range each of the variables will go through.

If you let all three variables go from -5 to 5 you are describing a region shaped like a rectangular block. You have a sphere.

 

[vela]

For the volume intregral I did just integrated the Div(F) from -5 to 5 for all three integrals saying that is the range each of the variables will go through. I plugged this into Wolfram Alpha and got an answer of 25000 though I am not sure if I did this question correctly.

That's not what I got from doing what you said you did, which suggests you didn't calculate div F correctly. Show us how you calculated div F.

You may want to switch to spherical coordinates to do the integrals.

 

[Thadis]

If you let all three variables go from -5 to 5 you are describing a region shaped like a rectangular block. You have a sphere.

Ahh, I knew I was forgetting something. For this case once I converted x,y, and z into sphrerical coordinates wouldn't the limits of integration be r=0 to r=5, θ= 0 to 2pi, and \phi=0 to 2pi? Also just to double check. Would taking the volume integral actually easier in this case?

 

[Thadis]

I was just thinking about it but would actually turning it into a surface integral make it easier? Saying you would have the double integral of the force dotted into the normal, which would give out (x^2+y^2+z^2)^2/5 since the normal to the sphere is just the normalized position vector? And since this is only going to be on the surface of the sphere we know that (x^2+y^2+z^2)=r=5 . So would the answer then be 20pi^2? Since I would be able to draw out a consant 5, and then all that would be left would to do the integral that has no terms left inside with the limits of the two intergals both being from 0 to 2pi?

 

[vela]

The answer is $12500\pi$.

 

[vela]

I was just thinking about it but would actually turning it into a surface integral make it easier? Saying you would have the double integral of the force dotted into the normal, which would give out (x^2+y^2+z^2)^2/5 since the normal to the sphere is just the normalized position vector?

You're saying the integral is equal to that, or F dotted into the normal? Where did the 5 come from?

And since this is only going to be on the surface of the sphere we know that (x^2+y^2+z^2)=r=5.

$r = \sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2}$

So would the answer then be 20pi^2? Since I would be able to draw out a constant 5, and then all that would be left would to do the integral that has no terms left inside with the limits of the two integrals both being from 0 to 2pi?

Those limits aren't correct. The polar angle doesn't go from 0 to $2\pi$.

 

[Thadis]

You're saying the integral is equal to that, or F dotted into the normal? Where did the 5 come from?

Sorry, was typing that in a hurry saying I was having to leave right then.

What I was trying to say, since the normal to the sphere is the normalized position vector, which would be {x,y,z}/5 since we know the distance to the surface is 5. If we dot this into the force that would create, (x^2+y^2+z^2)*{x,y,z}.{x,y,z}/5 after doing the dot product turns into (x^2+y^2+z^2)^2/5.

After this I did mess up and say (x^2+y^2+z^2)=5 where I should of said it is equal to 25. So that means the integrad is equal to 25^2/5?

And since the azimuthal angle is rotating completely around that means the polar angle only actually needs to go from 0 to pi correct?

I must be making some sort of mistake somewhere saying the answer I am getting is only like 250pi. Is there anything that you can see that I am doing wrong? Or is my entire train of thought forgetting a crucial point?

 

[vela]

What did you use for $d\sigma$? Remember it's proportional to $r^2$.

 

[Thadis]

Ahh d\sigma=r^2sin(\theta) d\theta d\phi. Forgot that it was not just dd/theta d\phi So that means that it would be \iint r^6/5*sin(\theta)*d\theta*d\phi if the limits are \theta=0 to pi and \phi=0 to 2pi?

 

[vela]

Yup.