Everyday applications of relativity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the everyday applications of Special Relativity (SR), particularly in the context of GPS systems, high energy particle experiments, and other technological advancements. Participants explore the necessity of accurate time measurement in GPS and the implications of relativistic effects in various applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight the role of SR in GPS systems, emphasizing the importance of accurate time measurement for location determination.
  • One participant mentions that GPS satellites experience time dilation effects due to their velocity and gravitational position, leading to specific corrections needed for accurate positioning.
  • Another participant suggests that the primary corrections for GPS are due to General Relativity rather than Special Relativity, arguing that the relativistic effects from the satellite's velocity are smaller.
  • Some contributions discuss the application of SR in technologies like Ring Laser Gyros in inertial navigation systems, linking it to the constancy of the speed of light across inertial frames.
  • One participant proposes that magnetism could be considered an everyday effect of SR, arising from the relativistic changes in electrostatic fields due to moving charges.
  • A later reply questions the classification of GPS as an application of SR, suggesting it serves more as a test for SR rather than a direct application.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of Special Relativity in GPS systems, with some asserting its significance while others argue that General Relativity plays a more crucial role. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent to which SR is applied in everyday technologies.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the specific effects of time dilation and gravitational influence on GPS accuracy involve assumptions about the relative speeds and gravitational fields experienced by satellites compared to observers on Earth. The discussion includes various interpretations of how these relativistic effects manifest in practical applications.

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I have heard about the use of SR in GPS systems. A friend of mine asked whyh it is necessary for GPS systems to be able to measure time so accurately? What has time got to do with finding one's location?

Also, I've heard about the application of SR by physicists doing high energy particle experiments. Are there any other every day applications of SR?
 
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resurgance2001 said:
I have heard about the use of SR in GPS systems. A friend of mine asked whyh it is necessary for GPS systems to be able to measure time so accurately? What has time got to do with finding one's location?

Also, I've heard about the application of SR by physicists doing high energy particle experiments. Are there any other every day applications of SR?

Spintronics is one of the most promising technological applications of special relativity (together with QM ofcourse).

To make GPS systems more accurate, the principles of SR are also used. More specifically : In Special Relativity, Einstein came to the conclusion that time will evolve slower when objects are moving very fast. So the faster you move, the slower you will grow older. This is the famous twin paradox. Another effect is that time will evolve faster when the strength of the gravitational interaction is lower. Here on Earth we will never feel these effects because we all feel the same gravity and we never move that fast with respect to one and other, so that we will see these time-differences.

However the satellite of GPS moves at about 14.000 km/hour and Special Relativity can prove that a clock on this satellite will be 7 microseconds, per day, behind with respect to a clock here on earth. Given the fact that these satellites are at about 20.000 km above the earth’s surface, they will feel only 25% of the gravity that we feel here on earth. This results in the fact that the clock on the satellite will be 45 microseconds ahead with respect to a clock here on earth. If we add up these relativistic effects we need to incorporate a time difference of 45 – 7 = 38 microseconds for each day that has passed. If we did not incorporate these corrections, the satellites would exhibit a deviation of 11 kilometers, per day, in their measurements. So they would give us an error of 11 km per day ! Thanks to these corrections we can position someone via GPS with an accuracy of about 11 meters !


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I am not a scientist but I know that the Ring Laser Gyros in inertial navigation systems are based on the speed of light being the same from all inertial frames of reference.
 
I thought that GPS corrections were mostly necessary due to General Relativity. Since the satellites are further out in the Earth's gravity well and there is a time dilation/contraction effect to counterbalance when the satellites communicate with the ground. The special relativistic effect from the satellite's velocity is much smaller...
 
That is true (the link tells the proportions), but both are still needed.
 
How many decimal places is 30 nano seconds compared to a second?
 
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Just thought I'd point out that a good expository paper on relativistic effects in GPS is http://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0507121 (don't be confused by last sentence of the abstract; the author is not implying that he thinks relativity theory is not needed, a common claim among the anti-Einstein crowd; quite the opposite, since in fact he is working on a next generation navigation system which will be fully relativistic from the outset, rather than adding "relativistic corrections" to a Newtonian model.)
 
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If we're after everday aspects or effects of special relativity, how about magnetism?

Seems to be a field which arises (or at least can be explained and quantified) as a change which occurs in an electrostatic field when the charges are moving relative to the observer, and which is a result of the relativistic contraction of the volume containing the moving charges.

I can't think of any other relativistic effect which is so apparent in everyday life... so apparent that we've given it a separate name 'magnetic field'. And it occurs at speeds (few cm/s?) which are so far below c...

J.
 
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resurgance2001 said:
I have heard about the use of SR in GPS systems. A friend of mine asked whyh it is necessary for GPS systems to be able to measure time so accurately? What has time got to do with finding one's location?

There are a great many GPS products that are used only to display the correct time to better than a microsecond. These would not work without the location also being known because it takes light one microsecond to travel a thousand feet. Prior time distribution methods (WWV for example) require the user to manually take into account the time it takes for the radio transmission to arrive and on a moving platform, this can be very difficult.
 
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GPS is not really an application of SR, but a convenient means for testing SR.
Any regular clock disagreement would be adjusted for automatically based on experience.
 
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This thread died out seven years ago.
 

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