Exploring the Mystery of Electron Magnetic Moments in Quantum Mechanics

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The discussion centers on the behavior of electron magnetic moments in the context of quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to the Stern-Gerlach experiment and the implications of magnetic fields on electron spin. Participants explore theoretical concepts, experimental setups, and the nature of magnetic interactions.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why electrons do not all align in the same direction in a magnetic field, given their magnetic moments.
  • Another participant explains that in a constant magnetic field, electron spin precesses around the direction of the field, referencing the Hamiltonian and initial-value problem in quantum mechanics.
  • It is noted that in the Stern-Gerlach experiment, the inhomogeneous magnetic field leads to entanglement between the position of the particle and its spin component.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the direction of the force acting on electrons with magnetic moments in a magnetic field, questioning why it appears to be opposite to expected behavior.
  • Another participant suggests that electrons are equally likely to precess around either magnetic pole, indicating a level of uncertainty about their behavior.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of quantum mechanics in modeling systems and whether it adequately addresses the initial questions posed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints and uncertainties regarding the behavior of electron magnetic moments and the implications of quantum mechanics, with no clear consensus reached on the fundamental questions raised.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of quantum mechanics and its mathematical modeling, suggesting that there may be limitations in understanding the physical implications of these models without experimental validation.

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If electrons have a magnetic moment (or behave like they have) why don't all orient North Up in a magnetic field (pointing down)? Plus, if thought as magnetic dipoles, like poles repel, therefore all should point the same direction. In a Stern-Gerlach apparattus shouldn't the magnetic moment align in the same direction regardless of their deflection direction?
 
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In a constant magnetic field the spin precesses around the direction of the magnetic field. It's a nice exercise to solve the corresponding initial-value problem. The corresponding Hamiltonian is
$$\hat{H}=-\frac{q}{2m} g_s \hat{\vec{S}} \cdot \vec{B}.$$
You can go into the spin representation and use ##\hat{\vec{S}}=\frac{1}{2} \hat{\vec{\sigma}}##, where ##\hat{\vec{\sigma}}## are the Pauli matrices. If you put the ##\vec{B}##-field in the ##z## direction, it's very easy to solve the initial-value problem,
$$\mathrm{i} \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d} t} |\psi(t) \rangle=\hat{H} |\psi(t) \rangle, \quad |\psi(0) \rangle=|\psi_0 \rangle.$$

In the Stern-Gerlach experiment you have an inhomogeneous magnetic field, and you consider the full problem of the (electrically neutral!) particle including position. It turns out that then there's also a force acting on the particle, and thus the particle will be deflected such that you get an entanglement between position and value of the spin component along the direction of the magnetic field, i.e., an unpolarized particle beam will split up into partial beams all with well prepared spin components in direction of the magnetic field.
 
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That means the electrons that go up will have magnetic moment pointing up and there should be a force pointing down because the north pole repells the north pole of the electron. I understand you get the entanglement as spin up goes up, spin down goes down, but why the force is in opposite direction that it would normally be?
 
My understanding is that they are almost equally happy prescessing around either north or south. Weird that!
 
Yes, but in a non uniform field pointing down (N-S) why would they precess to point up?
QM uses these mathematical concepts to model systems so that the results matches the experimetal results but also can give answers to more complex situations before you will actually perform the experiment. I'm still not sure if it answers my simple question.
 

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