Find a Spanning Sets for a space AX=(A^T)X

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The problem involves finding a spanning set for the space defined by the equation T(A) = {X in R5 : AX=(A^T)X}, where A is a given 5x5 matrix. The context is linear algebra, specifically dealing with vector spaces and spanning sets.

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  • Participants discuss the definition of a spanning set and its relation to linear combinations. Some express confusion about the requirements of the problem, questioning whether it asks for a spanning set or a minimal spanning set (basis). Others suggest that any set of vectors that spans R5 could be considered, including the columns of the matrix A or A^T.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the problem's requirements, with some participants clarifying the distinction between spanning sets and minimal spanning sets. Guidance has been offered regarding potential sets of vectors that could span the required subspace, but there is no consensus on the correct approach or solution yet.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that not all vectors in R5 satisfy the equation AX = A^TX, indicating that the solution involves identifying a specific subset of vectors that form a subspace. There is also mention of the determinant of A^T being non-zero, suggesting linear independence among its column vectors.

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Homework Statement



Find a spanning set for the space

T(A) = {X in R5 : AX=(A^T)X} , where A^T (A transpose)

A = 58, -20, -4, -35, 34
-20, 58, 31, 1, -36
-4, 31, 43, 7, -21
18, 18, -17, 31, -12
34, -36, -21, -27, 69

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I don't understand what this question is really asking for...
What I understand is a spanning set is a set that be written as a linear combination. For ex.
{ X1, X2,...Xk} can be written as aX1+bX2+...cXk.

Since I know by a nxn matrix, I took the determinant of A^t) which was not 0, so the column matrix was linearly independent. So i just wrote the spanning set as the Column vectors.
 
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Not all vectors in R5 satisfy AX= ATX but it is not difficult to prove that the set of vectors that do form a subspace of R5. What they are asking for is a set of vectors that span that subspace. Yes, A and AT here are invertible matrices. But that only means their column vectors (v= Ae where e is a basis vector for R5) span all of R5.

Does the problem really say "find a spanning set" and not a "minimal spanning set" or basis? If so then any set of vectors that span all of R5, such as the columns of either A or AT, or just {<1, 0, 0, 0, 0>, <0, 1, 0, 0>, <0, 0, 1, 0, 0>, <0, 0, 0, 1, 0>, < 0, 0, 0, 0, 1>} span that subset!
 
Yea the question really ask for find a spanning set.
 
Thank you, now I understand what the question is asking for...but how can i approach the question now??
 
By giving anyone of the three answers I just gave you!
 
I tried those answers, and type it in in my online assignment, and it says its wrong. So I'm guessing we have to find the subset
 

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