Find Rest Mass of Composite Particle After Collision

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The discussion revolves around a problem in relativistic physics concerning the collision of two particles, one moving and one stationary, and the determination of the rest mass of the resulting composite particle. The subject area includes concepts of energy conservation, momentum, and relativistic mass-energy relationships.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply conservation of momentum and energy to find the rest mass of the composite particle. Some participants question the completeness of the equations used, particularly regarding the inclusion of energy from the stationary mass. Others suggest using a different approach to simplify the algebra involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's attempts and suggesting alternative methods. There is an exploration of different equations and their implications, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or solution.

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Participants are navigating through the complexities of relativistic equations and the need to account for all forms of energy in the system. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the equations maintain dimensional consistency.

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Homework Statement


A particle of rest mass m and kinetic energy 2mc^c strikes and sticks to a stationary particle of rest mass 2m. Find the rest mass M of the composite particle


Homework Equations


E = mc^2 + KE
E^2 = (mc^2)^2 + (pc)^2
p = mv/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)


The Attempt at a Solution


For finding the initial velocity of the moving particle:
2mc^2 = KE = mc^2/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) - mc^2
m's cancel
and when solving for v, you get v1 = sqrt(2/3)c

To find M, I tried using conservation of momentum and energy.
p1 = p2
mv1/sqrt(1-v1^2/c^2) + 2m*0 = Mv2/sqrt(1-v2^2/c^2)
I can't seem to find a way to make the equation only have one unknown.
 
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Where's your conservation of energy equation?
 
E1 = E2
(mc^2)^2 + (cmv1/sqrt(1-v1^2/c^2))^2 = (Mc^2)^2 + (cMv2/sqrt(1-v2^2/c^2))^2
 
That's not quite right. You forgot the energy of the stationary mass. Also, to simplify the algebra, you might want to use E=γmc2 rather than breaking out the rest energy and momentum contributions separately.
 
so it would be
(mc^2)^2 + (cmv1γ1) + 2mc^2 = (Mc^2)^2 + (cMv2γ2)^2?
how would that give me a function of just v2 or M?
 
No, that's still not right. It doesn't work out unit-wise. You have quantities equal to E2, not E. Plus you're making it more complicated than it needs to be. You can calculate the total energy of the system before the collision just by adding up a few quantities you were given.

You have two equations and two unknowns (M and v2). Now it's just a bunch of algebra to solve for them.
 

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