Find Second Derivative of √x^2 + x + 1 Using Chain Rule | Homework Solution

In summary: I think you'll get it. The quotient rule would be appropriate if your function weref(x) = (2x + 1) / [(x2 + x + 1)^(1/2)]That isn't what you have.
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Homework Statement



f(x) = √x^2 + x + 1

Homework Equations



Chain Rule

The Attempt at a Solution



f ' (x) = (x^2+x+1)^1/2
= 1/2 (x^2+x+1)^-1/2(x^2+x+1)'
= 1/2(x^2+x+1)^-1/2(2x + 1)
= 1/2(2x+1)/√(x^2+x+1)

f '' (x) = So I am having trouble with that. Unless my answer for the first derivative is incorrect. I've already tried the quotient rule as well as the product rule. I haven't succeed in any.

Here, I'll use the product rule:

f '' (x) = 1/2(2x+1)(x^2+x+1)^-1/2

= (x+1/2)' (x^2+x+1)^-1/2 + (x+1/2)(x^2+x+1)^-1/2'

= (1)(x^2+x+1)^-1/2 + (x+1/2)(-1/2)(x^2+x+1)^-3/2(x^2+x+1)'

= (x^2+x+1)^-1/2 + (-1/2x - 1/4)(x^2+x+1)^-3/2(2x+1)

= (x^2+x+1)^-1/2 + (-1 -1/2x - 1/2x - 1/4)(x^2+x+1)^-3/2

= (x^2+x+1)^-1/2 + (-4-4x-1/4)(x^2+x+1)^-3/2

= (-5/4 - x)(x^2+x+1)^-3/2 + 1/(x^2+x+1)^1/2

I know for sure this is not the right answer.

The right answer should be 3/4(x^2+x+1)^3/2
 
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domyy said:

Homework Statement



f(x) = √x^2 + x + 1
Based on your work below, you need parentheses. I think this is your function -
f(x) = √(x2 + x + 1)
domyy said:

Homework Equations



Chain Rule

The Attempt at a Solution



f ' (x) = (x^2+x+1)^1/2
No, the right side isn't the original function. You should indicated that the right side is the derivative of what you started with. Also, although you have some parentheses now, you need some around the exponents

f ' (x) = d/dx [(x^2+x+1)^(1/2)]
domyy said:
= 1/2 (x^2+x+1)^-1/2(x^2+x+1)'
= 1/2(x^2+x+1)^-1/2(2x + 1)
OK except for missing parens around the exponent.
domyy said:
= 1/2(2x+1)/√(x^2+x+1)

f '' (x) = So I am having trouble with that. Unless my answer for the first derivative is incorrect. I've already tried the quotient rule as well as the product rule. I haven't succeed in any.

Here, I'll use the product rule:

f '' (x) = d/dx 1/2(2x+1)(x^2+x+1)^-1/2
It would have been easier to just pull out that factor of 1/2, rather than working with it as you did below.
domyy said:
= (x+1/2)' (x^2+x+1)^-1/2 + (x+1/2)(x^2+x+1)^-1/2'

= (1)(x^2+x+1)^-1/2 + (x+1/2)(-1/2)(x^2+x+1)^-3/2(x^2+x+1)'

= (x^2+x+1)^-1/2 + (-1/2x - 1/4)(x^2+x+1)^-3/2(2x+1)

= (x^2+x+1)^-1/2 + (-1 -1/2x - 1/2x - 1/4)(x^2+x+1)^-3/2

= (x^2+x+1)^-1/2 + (-4-4x-1/4)(x^2+x+1)^-3/2

= (-5/4 - x)(x^2+x+1)^-3/2 + 1/(x^2+x+1)^1/2

I know for sure this is not the right answer.

The right answer should be 3/4(x^2+x+1)^3/2

Your first derivative is correct. Your work for the 2nd derivative might be correct, but the way you did it makes it difficult to check.

Start with f'(x) = (1/2)(2x + 1)(x2 + x + 1)^(-1/2)

f''(x) = (1/2)[ (2x + 1)(-1/2)(x2 + x + 1)^(-3/2)(2x + 1) + 2(x2 + x + 1)^(-1/2)]

Do NOT bring that first factor of 1/2 inside the brackets!

If you clean the above up, by factoring (x2 + x + 1)-3/2 from the two factors inside the brackets, you should end up with the correct answer.
 
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Thank you so much for the reply. Before, I'd used the quotient rule. I see that how you put it, f''(x) = (1/2)[ (2x + 1)(-1/2)(x2 + x + 1)^(-3/2)(2x + 1), is a much better way to rewrite it.

However, I am confused with the second part 2(x2] + x + 1)^(1/2)]. Where is this coming from?

I am so sorry...this is a new topic in my class and I am still trying to understand it.

Thanks again!
 
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domyy said:
Thank you so much for the reply. Before, I'd used the quotient rule. I see that how you put it, f''(x) = (1/2)[ (2x + 1)(-1/2)(x2 + x + 1)^(-3/2)(2x + 1), is a much better way to rewrite it.

However, I am confused with the second part 2(x2] + x + 1)^(1/2)]. Where is this coming from?
Product rule. Also, I notice that I had an extra bracket that shouldn't have been there, and I forgot to put in the sign for the exponent. I have edited my previous post, so it should be OK now.

What you have above should be
2(x2 + x + 1)^(-1/2)

The first 2 is there because it is the derivative of (2x + 1).

The problem was to find the derivative of (1/2)(2x + 1)(x2 + x + 1)^(-1/2).

f''(x) = (1/2) * d/dx[(2x + 1)(x2 + x + 1)^(-1/2)]
= (1/2) * [ (2x + 1) * d/dx(x2 + x + 1)^(-1/2)) + d/dx(2x + 1) * (x2 + x + 1)^(-1/2)]
domyy said:
I am so sorry...this is a new topic in my class and I am still trying to understand it.

Thanks again!
 

1. What is the second derivative?

The second derivative is a mathematical concept that describes the rate of change of the rate of change of a function. It is the derivative of the derivative of the original function.

2. Why is finding the second derivative important?

Finding the second derivative allows us to understand the curvature and concavity of a function, as well as the behavior of its rate of change. It is also useful in optimization problems and determining the extreme values of a function.

3. How do you find the second derivative?

To find the second derivative, you can use the power rule or product rule for derivatives, depending on the function. First, find the derivative of the original function, and then take the derivative of that result to find the second derivative. Alternatively, you can use the quotient rule or chain rule if the function involves fractions or nested functions.

4. Can the second derivative be negative?

Yes, the second derivative can be negative. This indicates that the original function is concave down (curving downward) at that point. It can also mean that the rate of change of the function is decreasing.

5. What is the physical interpretation of the second derivative?

The physical interpretation of the second derivative depends on the context of the problem. In general, it represents the acceleration or change in acceleration of an object in motion. For example, in physics, the second derivative of position with respect to time is the acceleration of the object.

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