Find the angles for the basketball throw, projectile problem

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The problem involves determining the launch angles for a basketball throw modeled as a projectile motion scenario. The parameters include the initial height of the ball, the height of the hoop, the horizontal distance to the hoop, and the initial velocity of the throw.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate the launch angles to the equations of motion but struggles with the presence of time in their equations. They express confusion about isolating variables and substituting terms.
  • Some participants suggest eliminating time from the equations to derive a relationship solely in terms of the launch angle.
  • Another participant shares their approach involving maximum height and questions the substitution of time in their equations, seeking clarification on their reasoning.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different methods to relate the variables. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of a single time variable instead of splitting the motion into segments. There is no explicit consensus yet, as participants are still clarifying their approaches and reasoning.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on using equations of motion for projectile motion, and participants are navigating the complexities of relating vertical and horizontal components while considering the constraints of the problem.

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1. A basketball will be launched of height h and will hit the hoop that has a height of H. The horizontal distance between the ball and the hoop is d. Given an initial velocity Vo write both possible launch angles in function of h, H, Vo and d


2.
theta=tg^-1(Vy/Vx) (1)
Vx(t)=Vo*cos(theta) (2)
Vy(t)=Vo*sen(theta)-g*t (3)
X(t)=0+Vo*cos(theta)*t (4)
Y(t)=0+Vo*sen(theta)*t-g^2/t (5)



The Attempt at a Solution


I'm lost in how to solve this problem. My main question is:

To find the angles i have to substitute both (2) and (3) in equation (1), but when i try to do that i have the "t" in the equation. if i try to use (4) to isolate t (1) will have theta and i can't isolate it. I'm clueless as how to procede.
 
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hi gpmattos! welcome to pf! :smile:
gpmattos said:
To find the angles i have to substitute both (2) and (3) in equation (1), but when i try to do that i have the "t" in the equation. if i try to use (4) to isolate t (1) will have theta and i can't isolate it. I'm clueless as how to procede.

you should have an x equation and a y equation with the same t (and the same θ)

eliminate t, and that should give you an equation in θ that you can solve …

show us how far you get :smile:
 
I found some information on what i needed to find the angles and i think i did it right, but i have one question, but first i'll explain my approach:

When the ball reaches its maximum height:(t1 seconds have passed)

Vy(t)=0=Vo*senb-gt==> vsenb=gt ==> t1=vsenb/g

also:

Y(t)=H-h=L=g/2(t1^2-t2^2) being t2 the time the ball reaches its destination

X(t)=Vo*cosb*(t1+t2)


We can rewrite the equation for the Y-axis:
L=g/2(t1+t2)*(2t1-(t1+t2))

from the first equation we know that t1=vsenb/g

from the second equation we know that t1+t2=d/Vo*cosb

then: L=g/2*d/Vo*cosb*((2vosenb/g)-(d/vo*cosb))


After a lot of math we obtain:

g*d^2*tg^2b-2*d*Vo^2*tgb+((L*2*vo^2)+(g*d^2))=0

and we can solve this for tgb





My main question here is, why on the second equation do i substitute t for (t1^2-t^2) and not (t1-t2)^2 . I'm sorry if this is too trivial, but i can't seem to figure this out.
 
hi gpmattos! :smile:

(just got up :zzz:)
gpmattos said:
… When the ball reaches its maximum height:(t1 seconds have passed) …

(try using the X2 and X2 buttons just above the Reply box :wink:)

that probably works (i haven't checked your equations),

but you don't need to split the path into two …

just use one t, the time (t2) that the ball goes through the hoop :wink:
 

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