Find the equation of the hyperbola with centre at the origin

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To find the equation of the hyperbola centered at the origin with a transverse axis on the y-axis, the correct form is \(\frac{y^2}{b^2} - \frac{x^2}{a^2} = 1\). The points R(4, 6) and S(1, -3) lead to two equations when substituted into this form. The discussion highlights a common issue where one side of the equation becomes negative when solving for variables a and b. The solution involves manipulating the equations to eliminate one variable, ultimately confirming that the graph opens up and down. The correct approach was identified as using the hyperbola equation that aligns with the given points.
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Find the equation of the hyperbola with centre at the origin and sketch the graph.
e. tranverse axis is on the y-axis and passes through the points R(4, 6) and S(1, -3)

How would I find a and b? I plugged in the coordinates in \frac{x^2}{a^2} - \frac{y^2}{b^2} = 1 and came up with two equations. The thing is, I get to the point where I have to take the square root of both sides, but one side is always negative. I thought you couldn't take the square root of a negative? :confused:
 
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What are the 2 equations...?Ang why is one part always negative...?

Daniel.
 
Have you considered that
\frac{y^2}{b^2}- \frac{x^2}{a^2}= 1
is also an equation of a hyperbola?
 
dextercioby said:
What are the 2 equations...?Ang why is one part always negative...?

Daniel.
The equations are:

b = \pm\sqrt{\frac{36a^2}{16 - a^2}}
b = \pm\sqrt{\frac{9a^2}{1 - a^2}}

Then when I try to solve for a after combining them, one side is always negative. I don't know why it is always negative, but I've tried solving for b instead of a first, and I encounter the same problem. I think someone else in my class had the same problem too. Maybe I just did it wrong or something..
The teacher said something about subtracting those two equations once you get them..? How would you do that?
 
Well, you just subtract! 0= \sqrt{\frac{36a^2}{16-a^2}}- \sqrt{\frac{9a^2}{1-a^2}} and now "move" that second term to the other side of equation: \sqrt{\frac{36a^2}{16-a^2}}= \sqrt{\frac{9a^2}{1-a^2}} and now square both sides.

Do you see where those formulas are from? If you assume a formula of the form \frac{x^2}{a^2}- \frac{y^2}{b^2}= 1, then putting x= 4, y= 6 gives \frac{16}{a^2}- \frac{36}{b^2}= 1 and putting x= 1, y= -3 gives \frac{1}{a^2}-\frac{9}{b^2}= 1. Solve each of those for b and you get those two equations. Actually, what I would do is Multiply that second equation by 4 to bet \frac{4}{a^3}-\frac{36}{b^2}= 4. Now subtract the first equation from that to eliminate b: \frac{12}{a^2}= -3 . Yes! You do have a square on one side equal to a negative number!

Okay, so do what I suggested before: try writing your basic equation as
\frac{y^2}{b^2}- \frac{x^2}{a^2}= 1
and do the same as before.
 
Oh, I think I finally got the answer. I should've used \frac{y^2}{b^2}- \frac{x^2}{a^2}= 1 since the graph opens up and down. I could've sworn I did that when I attempted this the first time, but I couldn't get the answer for some reason.. Well, nevermind that. Thanks a lot for your help!
 
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