Find the mass of m1 on an inclined pulley system

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The discussion focuses on deriving an expression for the mass m1 in an inclined pulley system with two masses m1 and m2 connected by a cord over a frictionless pulley. The participant outlines the forces acting on each mass, emphasizing the need to consider the components of gravitational force acting on m1 down the ramp. They clarify that tension in the cord is the same for both masses and discuss the equations of motion for m1 and m2, noting the importance of accurately representing the forces in their free-body diagrams. There is a correction regarding the direction of forces, particularly the gravitational component acting on m1. The conversation highlights the necessity of careful sign management when equating net forces to isolate m1.
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Homework Statement


Two masses ##m_1## and ##m_2## are connected by a massless cord and a pulley, on a rough ramp, tilted at angle ∅ The pulley is massless and frictionless. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the ramp and m1 is ##μ_k.## Derive an expression for ##m_1,## given that ##m_2## accelerates downward with acceleration of magnitude ##a.##

Diagram:
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Homework Equations


##F=ma##
##g=9.8 m/s^2##

The Attempt at a Solution


I drew my free body diagrams for each mass.
For ##m_1,## the axes are aligned with the ramp, not the ground. ##m_1g## is broken up into its ##x## and ##y## components: ##m_1gsin∅## and ##m_1gcos∅,## respectively. Tension ##T## is larger than frictional force ##F_f## since the object is accelerating up the ramp despite the frictional force in the opposite direction.

For ##m_2,## the axes are aligned with the ground with the up direction being the positive ##y## direction. The weight ##mg## is larger than the tension ##T## due to its downward acceleration.

I think that the tension will be the same everywhere in the rope, so ##T_{m_1}=T_{m_2}.##

With regard to ##m_1:##
##T=m_2a##
##F_{net}=T-F_f,##
or
##F_{net}=m_2a-μ_km_1gcos∅.##

With regard to ##m_2:##
##F_{net}=m_2g-T,##
or
##F_{net}=m_2g-m_2a.##

That's about as far as I got. It's not much of a start. I don't know what steps I need to take towards isolating ##m_1.##
 
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Where did you get T = m2a from?
For the net force on m1, you forgot the component of gravity acting down the ramp.
 
I derived tension ##T## by applying ##F=ma## and getting ##T=ma## since ##T## is a force. I saw that since the mass of ##m_2## is given and its downward acceleration ##a## is given and on the same axis as ##T## (the ##y## axis), I could plug those into the force equation and get the tension.

And yeah, I can see what you're saying about the gravity. Since ##m_1##'s motion is completely horizontal, it should actually be ##F_{net_{m_1}}=m_2a−μ_km_1gsin∅.## Not sure how I managed to mix up sin and cos, sorry.
 
Have another look at your free-body diagrams.
The one for m2 should have the tension pointing up and the weight down.
The sum of both of these forces will be m2a.
So, T = m2a is not correct.

The motion of m1 may be horizontal with respect to the ramp, but it's not horizontal with respect to the ground, so there is a component of the weight acting to pull the mass back down the incline.
 
Ok, so ##T+m_2g=m_2a,##
or
##T=m_2a-m_2g.##

So, correct me if I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, does that mean that ##mg_x## should actually be subtracted, making ##F_{net_{m_1}}=T-F_f-mg_x##?
 
Remember that T and the weight are in opposite directions, so
m2g - T = m2a
( my y-axis points down here )

Your expression for Fnet for m1 is correct.
When you equate this with m1a, be careful with the signs.
 
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