Finding Lever Lengths With Overall Mechanical Advantage

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The discussion focuses on calculating the lengths of the effort and load arms of a lever given a mechanical advantage (MA) of 10, with a total lever length of 5 meters. The initial approach correctly sets up the relationship between the effort arm and load arm but encounters confusion in isolating the load arm. A participant clarifies that the correct formula for the load arm should involve parentheses to respect the order of operations, leading to a load arm length of 5/11 meters. The conversation emphasizes the importance of proper mathematical operations in solving for the individual arm lengths. Understanding these principles is crucial for accurately determining lever mechanics.
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Homework Statement


If the mechanical advantage of a lever is, let's say, 10; the forces pushing down on the effort arm equate to 100kg and the forces pushing down on the load arm equate to 1000kg and the lever itself is 5 meters, how do we go about finding the individual arm lengths (i.e. the length of the effort/lever arm).

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The Attempt at a Solution


Here's what I'm thinking.
MA = 10
Simultaneously,
MA = Effort Arm / Load Arm
10 = Effort Arm / Load Arm
Load Arm * 10 = Effort Arm
Load Arm + Load Arm * 10 = Effort Arm + Load Arm
2Load Arm * 10 = 5
2Load Arm = 5/10
Load Arm = 0.5

True or false?
 
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Wolfowitz said:

The Attempt at a Solution


Here's what I'm thinking.
MA = 10
Simultaneously,
MA = Effort Arm / Load Arm
10 = Effort Arm / Load Arm
Load Arm * 10 = Effort Arm
Load Arm + Load Arm * 10 = Effort Arm + Load Arm

It is correct up to here, but how did you get the following?
Wolfowitz said:
2Load Arm * 10 = 5

1(load arm)+10 (load arm) = ? (load arm) ?

If you add one apple to 10 apples will you get 2*10 =20 apples?

ehild
 
Then how would you isolate the load arm?
 
11 * load arm = effort arm + load arm?
load arm = effort arm + load arm / 11?
 
Wolfowitz said:
11 * load arm = effort arm + load arm?
load arm = effort arm + load arm / 11?
No, it is wrong. Division by 11 in your formula refers to the load arm only.
Use parentheses: length of load arm =(length of effort arm+length of load arm)/11, that is, 5/11 m.

Remember the hierarchy of operations: First perform everything in the parentheses. Otherwise perform multiplication/division first then the addition/subtraction.

ehild
 
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