Finding the Energy of a Rotating Object with Fixed Masses - How to Solve?

  • Thread starter Thread starter vac
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Energy Rotation
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the energy of a rotating object with fixed masses at its corners, involving concepts of torque, moment of inertia, and angular velocity. The problem includes specific values for torque, time, and mass distribution, and references a visual aid for clarity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the calculation of moment of inertia and its components, questioning the summation of masses and the application of formulas for rods. There are inquiries about the treatment of horizontal and vertical rods in the context of moment of inertia.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the calculations and questioning the assumptions made regarding the moment of inertia for different rod orientations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the correct application of formulas, but multiple interpretations of the setup are still being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the treatment of horizontal rods and their contribution to the moment of inertia, indicating a potential gap in the original problem setup or assumptions made by the original poster.

vac
Messages
28
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


Torque = 3
Time = 3.12 s
Length of the each rod = 1 m so the radius = 0.500 m
mass of each rod is = 0.500 kg
M_1 = 4 kg
M_2 = 2 kg
M_3 = 4 kg
M_4 = 2 kg
http://imageshack.us/a/img27/5475/qu51.jpg

Homework Equations


What is the energy of the object (please refer to the picture above) that has a mass fixed to each of its four corners? If it rotates for 3.12 s? Torque and time is given.

The Attempt at a Solution


K_E = \frac{1}{2} I \omega^2
I = \sum mr^2
I = (4+2+4+2+0.5+0.5)(0.5)^2
I = 3.25
\omega = \alpha t
Now we have "I" and Torque we can calculate alpha.
Torque = I \alpha
3 = 2.25 \alpha
\frac{3}{3.25}= \alpha
so
\omega = \alpha t
\omega = \frac{3}{3.25} 3.12 s = 2.88
substitute back in
K_E = \frac{1}{2} I \omega^2
K_E = \frac{1}{2} 3.25 (2.88)^2
K_E = 13.5 J
Can you please tell me what is wrong with my answer and if there is an easier way to solve such problems.
Thanks.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
vac said:
I = (4+2+4+2+0.5+0.5)(0.5)^2
Pls explain how you get that. What is the value of Ʃm?
 
haruspex said:
Pls explain how you get that. What is the value of Ʃm?
summation of masses times radius square: are (m1+m2+m3+m4+ mass of two rods )(r^2) = (4kg + 2kg + 4kg + 2kg + 0.5kg + 0.5 kg)(0.5 m)^2 = 3.25
 
Ok, do you see how I did that?
 
vac said:
summation of masses times radius square: are (m1+m2+m3+m4+ mass of two rods )(r^2) = (4kg + 2kg + 4kg + 2kg + 0.5kg + 0.5 kg)(0.5 m)^2 = 3.25
What about the horizontal rods?
 
haruspex said:
What about the horizontal rods?
Thank you for asking this question, it is the main thing that drove me to make this post.
I think it should be (1/12) times mass times length of both rods ... (1/12)ML.
But how about the vertical rods?
 
The moment of inertia for a rod is \frac{1}{12} ML^2
 
vac said:
Thank you for asking this question, it is the main thing that drove me to make this post.
I think it should be (1/12) times mass times length of both rods ... (1/12)ML.
But how about the vertical rods?
Yes. You already included the vertical rods correctly. The 1/12 formula is for a rod rotating about its centre. Every part of each vertical rod is distance 0.5m from the axis, so 0.5m is right for those.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
1K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
4K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
2K