Finding the exact value of a summation.

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The problem involves evaluating the infinite sum Σ(from x=0->∞) [(x^2)(2^x)]/x!. The context includes concepts related to Poisson random variables and their expected values, with participants discussing the nature of convergence and divergence of the series.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Some participants assert that the sum diverges based on their understanding of infinite series, while others challenge this view, suggesting that a ratio test indicates convergence. There are discussions about the implications of breaking up the sum and the properties of Poisson distributions. Hints are provided regarding the expected value calculations related to the sum.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the sum's behavior. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of differentiation techniques and the relationship to expected values in probability distributions. There is no explicit consensus on the resolution of the problem.

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Participants are navigating assumptions about the convergence of the series and the application of properties from Poisson distributions. There is mention of confusion regarding the role of the x^2 term in the sum.

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Homework Statement


The sum we are given is Σ(from x=0->∞) [(x^2)(2^x)]/x!. We are asked to find the exact value of this sum using concepts discussed in class which include poisson random variables, and their expected values.

The Attempt at a Solution


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So i know the solution to the infinite sum is divergent. I know this since:

e^2 * Σ(from x=0->∞) (x^2) * Σ(from x=0->∞) (2^x)(e^-2)/x! = e^-2 * Σ(from x=0->∞) (x^2) since Σ(from x=0->∞) (2^x)(e^-2)/x! = 1 from poisson distribution. And we know Σ(from x=0->∞) (x^2) is divergent from simple infinite series. So the sum itself is ∞/or diverges.

But I don't know if there's a better way to solve this using only properties of the poisson distributions and their expected values/variances instead of invoking results from infinite series.
 
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NATURE.M said:

Homework Statement


The sum we are given is Σ(from x=0->∞) [(x^2)(2^x)]/x!. We are asked to find the exact value of this sum using concepts discussed in class which include poisson random variables, and their expected values.

The Attempt at a Solution


[/B]
So i know the solution to the infinite sum is divergent. I know this since:

e^2 * Σ(from x=0->∞) (x^2) * Σ(from x=0->∞) (2^x)(e^-2)/x! = e^-2 * Σ(from x=0->∞) (x^2) since Σ(from x=0->∞) (2^x)(e^-2)/x! = 1 from poisson distribution. And we know Σ(from x=0->∞) (x^2) is divergent from simple infinite series. So the sum itself is ∞/or diverges.

But I don't know if there's a better way to solve this using only properties of the poisson distributions and their expected values/variances instead of invoking results from infinite series.

The sum is not divergent. A ratio test will tell you that. I don't know how to sum it exactly, but it is convergent.
 
Dick said:
The sum is not divergent. A ratio test will tell you that. I don't know how to sum it exactly, but it is convergent.
oh I think I noticed my error of breaking the sum up since its a property of finite sums only.
 
Hint: If that sum had an ##e^{-2}## factor, what expected value of what distribution would it be calculating?
 
LCKurtz said:
Hint: If that sum had an ##e^{-2}## factor, what expected value of what distribution would it be calculating?
Yeah I kinda understand that what I'm uncertain about is how does Σ(from x=0->∞) (x^2)(2^x)(e^-2)/x! = 6. The x^2 confuses me ?
 
LCKurtz said:
Hint: If that sum had an ##e^{-2}## factor, what expected value of what distribution would it be calculating?

NATURE.M said:
Yeah I kinda understand that what I'm uncertain about is how does Σ(from x=0->∞) (x^2)(2^x)(e^-2)/x! = 6. The x^2 confuses me ?

If you would answer my question it might help you.
 
use homogeneous differentiation for these types of exercises

$$\sum_{x=0}^\infty \dfrac{x^22^x}{x!}=\left. \left(r\dfrac{\mathrm{d}\phantom{r}}{\mathrm{d}r}\right)^2\sum_{x=0}^\infty \dfrac{r^x}{x!}\right|_{r=2}$$

or use
$$\sum_{x=0}^\infty \dfrac{r^x}{x!}
=\sum_{x=0}^\infty x\dfrac{r^{x-1}}{x!}
=\sum_{x=0}^\infty x(x-1)\dfrac{r^{x-2}}{x!}=e^x$$
 
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