Fluid Flow Problem-Viscous Flow

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The discussion revolves around a fluid mechanics problem involving viscous flow through a small tube connected to a pressure vessel. The user is attempting to calculate flow speed and pressure but encounters issues with high viscosity leading to unrealistic Reynolds numbers and friction factors. They initially used Bernoulli's equation but realized it was inappropriate for low Reynolds numbers and shifted to the Poiseuille equation for more accurate results. Suggestions include considering the Navier-Stokes equations with simplifying assumptions to better model the flow. The conversation highlights the challenges of working with highly viscous fluids and the need for appropriate equations to describe their behavior accurately.
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I am working on a fluid mechanics problem modeling something I've come into contact with at work.


I have an open to atmosphere reservoir of a fluid with properties as follows

SG=1.48
Viscosity= 47000 Cp
Height of fluid column, 3 inches or so. i.e. Neglible


I then have a pressure vessel with air inside of it at

190 Torr = 3.67 psi

If I immerse a plastic tube in the fluid, connect it to the pressure vessel, and open the clamp, I will establish some flow.

Inner Diameter of Tube is .19 in

I have been trying to determine the flow speed and pressure in the flow.


I have been using the equation

\frac{P_1}{\gamma} + \frac{V_1^2}{2*g} + Z_1= \frac{P_2}{\gamma} + \frac{V_2^2}{2*g} + Z_2

Considering change in height to be negligible (only a few inches), my equation reduces to

\frac{P_1}{\gamma} + \frac{V_1^2}{2*g} = \frac{P_2}{\gamma} + \frac{V_2^2}{2*g}

Taking initial fluid velocity to be zero, as it is coming from the reservoir of fluid, my equation further simplifies to

\frac{P_1}{\gamma}= \frac{P_2}{\gamma} + \frac{V_2^2}{2*g}

Plugging in values, I find my V_2 to be about 399 in/s

This is too high, but it must be due to the incorrect assumption of inviscid flow.

My next step is to add head loss to my equation:

\frac{P_1}{\gamma} = \frac{P_2}{\gamma} + \frac{V_2^2}{2*g} + H_L

To determine this, I first calculate my Reynolds Number using the equation

R_e=\frac{ρVD}{\mu}

then Friction Factor using the equation

f=\frac{64}{R_e}

Using this value I find my Head Loss using the equation

HL=f\frac{l}{D}\frac{v^2}{2g}


My problem is that, after using an assumed initial velocity to begin the iterative process,
my Reynold's Number comes out very low, my Friction Factor very high and my Head Loss astronomical.

For example, for an assumed V1 of 20 in/s
Re= .077
f=828.99
HL=4043058523 in


Plugging into the next iteration of my flow equation, the inside of the eventual square root required for solving for V_2 comes out to be negative, which is just a small problem...

I hope I'm missing something obvious, and after spending many hours just to get to this point, I'd appreciate any ideas/comments/help that any of you could provide.

Thank you in advance.
 
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Your fluid is so thick, it is probably going to clog such a small tube (ID = 0.19 in). Use a bigger tube or see if the viscosity can be reduced. When highly viscous products like residual fuel oil or asphalt have to be pumped, they must be heated to reduce viscosity sufficiently to allow pumping (residual FO approx. 200 F, asphalt approx. 400 F).
If neither approach is acceptable, you'll probably have to slice your fluid up into chunks and insert it into whatever manually.
 
The problem is not making it work.
It flows quite well in this small tube, due to the high pressure gradient.

I am simply trying to describe the process in a quantifiable way.

I've been looking at the Stokes equation and Hagen–Poiseuille equation this morning.
These seem to be the correct equations for flow with a Reynold's number below 1.
 
If you are running at a low RE bernoullis equation will not be valid as it is only a good approximation for the limit as Re goes to infinity.
 
Aero51 said:
If you are running at a low RE bernoullis equation will not be valid as it is only a good approximation for the limit as Re goes to infinity.

Yes, I've come to realize that.
I was trying to compensate for that problem by incorporating HL from friction, but that was incorrect.

I'm now using the Poiseuille equation:

\upsilon \pi R^2 = \frac{\pi R^4}{8\eta} (\frac{|\Delta P|}{\Delta x})

Any additional suggestions?
 
I would recommend setting up a full NS equation in the direction of fluid motion and make some simplifying assumptions. I do not have a PC with internet access so I cannot provide an example. The good news is that you know your boundary conditions in the tube and the net pressure gradient, dP/dz.

As another hint, solve the NS 3d polar equation the the z direction. Off the top of my head, you know:

-The flow is constant in time. d()/dt=0
-V_theta = 0 (irrotational)
-Viscosity is only significant in the radial direction
-You have a pressure gradient in 1 direction (dP/dz =/= 0)
-no slip condition at walls
 
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