Fluids: Energy equation involving head loss

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The discussion focuses on applying the energy equation to analyze head loss in a fluid system, specifically using Bernoulli's equation and frictional loss terms. Participants emphasize the need to determine the velocity of air in different pipe sections, which can be calculated using the volumetric flow rate and cross-sectional area. The ideal gas law is referenced to find the density of air, with a specific calculation provided for clarity. There is a debate over whether the pressure used in calculations is absolute or gauge, impacting the system's behavior. The conversation highlights the importance of unit consistency and proper interpretation of pressure conditions in fluid dynamics.
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Homework Statement


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p/ρg + V^2/2g + z = constant

head loss (major) = f * l/D * V^2/2g

The Attempt at a Solution


To use the energy equation while incorporating head loss, I need to determine the velocity in each section of pipe. The problem is I don't know how! I do know that the pressure drop from the tank to the atmosphere is equal to the pressure in the tank.
 

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The frictional term has to be properly combined with the bernoulli equation. To get you started, let Q represent volumetric throughput rate. This is what you will be solving for. In terms of Q, what is the velocity of the air in each of the sections. From the ideal gas law, what is the density of the air?
 
Chestermiller said:
The frictional term has to be properly combined with the bernoulli equation. To get you started, let Q represent volumetric throughput rate. This is what you will be solving for. In terms of Q, what is the velocity of the air in each of the sections. From the ideal gas law, what is the density of the air?
V is equal to the flowrate Q divided by the cross-sectional area of each pipe.

From the ideal gas law, density ρ = p/RT = 6.88*10^-5 slugs/ft^3
 
reddawg said:
V is equal to the flowrate Q divided by the cross-sectional area of each pipe.

From the ideal gas law, density ρ = p/RT = 6.88*10^-5 slugs/ft^3

You have to be careful with units here, especially R for air.

Can you show your calculation of ρ in detail?
 
SteamKing said:
You have to be careful with units here, especially R for air.

Can you show your calculation of ρ in detail?
ρ = (.5 psi)(144 in2/ft2) / (1716)(609.7)
1716 is R in British units
609.7 is 150 degrees f converted to rankine
 
reddawg said:
ρ = (.5 psi)(144 in2/ft2) / (1716)(609.7)
1716 is R in British units
609.7 is 150 degrees f converted to rankine
Is P = 0.5 psi absolute or gage reading?

The units of R here are ft-lbf / slug-°R to be precise.
 
SteamKing said:
Is P = 0.5 psi absolute or gage reading?

The units of R here are ft-lbf / slug-°R to be precise.
Yes, I agree with those units. And P is absolute pressure I think.
 
reddawg said:
Yes, I agree with those units. And P is absolute pressure I think.
If P is absolute pressure, then the tank cannot exhaust to atmosphere, since the pressure there > the supposed pressure inside the tank.
 

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