Focal length of lens at border of two liquids

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The discussion revolves around determining the optical power of a lens situated at the interface of two different liquids, focusing on the application of the spherical diopter equation and the lensmaker's formula.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the spherical diopter equation to derive the focal length but questions the validity of their solution compared to the textbook's approach. Some participants suggest treating the lens surfaces separately and modifying the lensmaker's formula for the given conditions. Others express confusion regarding the interpretation of focal lengths in the context of the problem.

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Participants are exploring different methods to approach the problem, with some providing guidance on how to adapt existing formulas to the scenario. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions made in the original poster's solution, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed.

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There is a mention of the original poster's concern about the lack of distinct focal lengths in their solution compared to the textbook, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the problem setup or the equations involved. The discussion also references specific textbooks and their approaches to similar problems.

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Homework Statement


I need to find optical power (reciprocal focal length) of this system with thin lens
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Homework Equations


I tried to solve this using spherical diopter equation
n1/a+n2/b=(n2-n1)/R
where a is object distance and b is image distance

The Attempt at a Solution


equation for first diopter
n1/a+n/b'=(n-n1)/R
equation for second diopter
-n/b'+n2/b=-(n2-n)/R
adding these two equation i have
n1/a+n2/b=(2*n-n1-n2)/R
putting a→∞, b should be focal length then
so:
1/f=1/b=(2*n-n1-n2)/(n2*R)
but textbook solution is:
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where -x=a and x'=b
i figured out this solution doesn't have two different focal length solutions (one from each side) and my solution have that. They solved problem using ray path and geometry.
I'm wondering what is wrong with my solution


 
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What might work is treating the two surfaces of the lens separately. That is the first produces an image which becomes the object for the second. Start out with an object far away - sorry, that is what your solution does in effect.
 
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Look at the derivation of the lensmaker's formula and modify it to the case where n1 ≠ 1.
 
rude man said:
Look at the derivation of the lensmaker's formula and modify it to the case where n1 ≠ 1.
in my textbook is solved by derivation of lensmaker's formula, but i want to know why my solution isn't correct
 
The power of the lens seems to be the sum of the powers of the two surfaces, which would then be
P = Pleft + Pright
= (n - n1)/R + (n2 - n)/-R
= 1/R (2n - n1 - n2)
I am referencing Jenkins and White - Fundamentals of Optics.
Each of the surfaces of the lens has two associated focal lengths.
So who knows what the f in the formula in the book refers to!
 
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