Force acting on the area of the cylinder due to gas

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The discussion revolves around the application of the ideal gas law in the context of a cylinder filled with gas. Participants are exploring the relationship between pressure, force, and the number of gas molecules, particularly in relation to the equations governing gas behavior.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the ideal gas law but encounters confusion regarding the incorporation of Boltzmann's constant and the transition from pressure to force. Some participants question how to relate pressure to kinetic energy and clarify the distinction between the number of moles and the number of molecules in the context of the gas law.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights into the necessary conversions between pressure and force, as well as the implications of using different quantities (moles vs. molecules). There is a recognition of the need to clarify these concepts, and some guidance has been provided regarding the equations involved.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the use of Boltzmann's constant in conjunction with the ideal gas law, as well as the distinction between the number of moles and the number of molecules, which may affect the approach to the problem.

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pV=nRT
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I know the volume of the cylinder, which is Al. So I plugged this into the ideal gas law formula, and got answer B. However, the correct answer should be D. I see the Boltzmann's constant there in the equation, and I do know an equation which contains the constant, but I'm not sure how to incorporate it into the ideal gas law.. Thanks for your help in advance!
 

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Can you somehow relate ##P## with the kinetic energy of the gas molecules per unit volume ##E_{\text{unit vol.}}##?
 
First, you need a Force, not a pressure. What you did, I think, was $$p = nRT/V = \frac {nRT} {A l}$$ but this is a pressure. You have to multiply by the area, so $$F = \frac {nRT} {l}$$.

Second: in the perfect gas law you have ##n## which is the number of moles, but the exercise gives you ##N## which is number of molecules! And Remember that ##k_B = \frac R N_a## where ##N_a## is the Avogadro constant
 
dRic2 said:
First, you need a Force, not a pressure. What you did, I think, was $$p = nRT/V = \frac {nRT} {A l}$$ but this is a pressure. You have to multiply by the area, so $$F = \frac {nRT} {l}$$.

Second: in the perfect gas law you have ##n## which is the number of moles, but the exercise gives you ##N## which is number of molecules! And Remember that ##k_B = \frac R N_a## where ##N_a## is the Avogadro constant
Thank you so much! I figured it out :)
 

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