Green's theorem, relation between two integrals

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The discussion revolves around the application of Green's theorem to evaluate a double integral over a unit disk. The integral in question is of the form \(\iint\limits_D (y^{2}e^{xy}-x^{2}e^{xy})dxdy\), where participants are exploring the relationship between the double integral and a line integral around the boundary of the disk.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the selection of vector functions \(P\) and \(Q\) for applying Green's theorem, with some questioning whether the chosen functions lead to the correct integrand. There are attempts to parametrize the boundary curve and evaluate the resulting line integral, but confusion arises regarding the correctness of the functions and their derivatives.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the correct forms of \(P\) and \(Q\), with some participants suggesting alternatives and others expressing uncertainty about the implications of their choices. Guidance has been offered regarding the need to ensure that the derivatives yield the original integrand, but no consensus has been reached on the final approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of correctly applying Green's theorem and the implications of their choices on the evaluation of the integral. There is acknowledgment of the time spent identifying errors in the selection of functions, indicating a learning process in understanding the theorem's application.

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Homework Statement .
Calculate by a line integral the following double integral:
##\iint\limits_D (y^{2}e^{xy}-x^{2}e^{xy})dxdy##, D being the unit disk.

The attempt at a solution.

Well, if we consider C to be the curve that encloses the region D (C is the unit circle), then C is a simple, closed and smooth curve. Now, if we take ##F=(P(x,y),Q(x,y))##
with ##P(x,y)=-ye^{xy}## and ##Q(x,y)=-xe^{xy}##, then P and Q are ##C^1## functions. We are under the hypothesis of Green's theorem, so we know that the integral

##\iint\limits_D (Q_x-P_y)dxdy## equals the integral ##\int\limits_C Fds## where C is the unit circle. If I parametrize this curve in the standard way, I get ##ψ(t)=(cos(t),sin(t))## and ##ψ'(t)=(-sin(t),cos(t))## so the integral of the right member is
##\int_0^{2π} (-sin(t)e^{cos(t)sin(t)},-cos(t)e^{cos(t)sin(t)})(-sin(t),cos(t))
dt##, which is equal to ##\int_0^{2π} sin^{2}(t)e^{cos(t)sin(t)}-cos^{2}(t)e^{cos(t)sin(t)} dt##
I am totally stuck with this integral, I could express it by ##\int_0^{2π}e{cos(t)sin(t)}-2cos^{2}(t)e^{cos(t)sin(t)} dt## but I don't know how to solve it. Am I applying Green's theorem correctly or did I make a mistake in some previous step?
 
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You've got a basic problem with your analysis and selection of the functions P and Q.

When you take your partial derivatives of P and Q and calculate (Qx - Py), you must obtain the original integrand of the double integral, namely (y^2EXP(xy) - x^2EXP(xy)). Have you checked this?
 
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mahler1 said:
Homework Statement .
Calculate by a line integral the following double integral:
##\iint\limits_D (y^{2}e^{xy}-x^{2}e^{xy})dxdy##, D being the unit disk.

The attempt at a solution.

Well, if we consider C to be the curve that encloses the region D (C is the unit circle), then C is a simple, closed and smooth curve. Now, if we take ##F=(P(x,y),Q(x,y))##
with ##P(x,y)=-ye^{xy}## and ##Q(x,y)=-xe^{xy}##, then P and Q are ##C^1## functions. We are under the hypothesis of Green's theorem, so we know that the integral

##\iint\limits_D (Q_x-P_y)dxdy## equals the integral ##\int\limits_C Fds## where C is the unit circle. If I parametrize this curve in the standard way, I get ##ψ(t)=(cos(t),sin(t))## and ##ψ'(t)=(-sin(t),cos(t))## so the integral of the right member is
##\int_0^{2π} (-sin(t)e^{cos(t)sin(t)},-cos(t)e^{cos(t)sin(t)})(-sin(t),cos(t))
dt##, which is equal to ##\int_0^{2π} sin^{2}(t)e^{cos(t)sin(t)}-cos^{2}(t)e^{cos(t)sin(t)} dt##
I am totally stuck with this integral, I could express it by ##\int_0^{2π}e{cos(t)sin(t)}-2cos^{2}(t)e^{cos(t)sin(t)} dt## but I don't know how to solve it. Am I applying Green's theorem correctly or did I make a mistake in some previous step?

Use double angle formulas. Doesn't it sort of resemble cos(2t)e^(sin(2t))?
 
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SteamKing said:
You've got a basic problem with your analysis and selection of the functions P and Q.

When you take your partial derivatives of P and Q and calculate (Qx - Py), you must obtain the original integrand of the double integral, namely (y^2EXP(xy) - x^2EXP(xy)). Have you checked this?

I see, P and Q were not the correct ones. I have to set ##P=xe^{xy}## and ##Q=ye^{xy}##. I spent like 15 minutes trying to find where my mistake was and I totally missed it.
 
Dick said:
Use double angle formulas. Doesn't it sort of resemble cos(2t)e^(sin(2t))?

The integral is 0, my problem was I hadn't chosen P and Q appropriately.
 
mahler1 said:
I see, P and Q were not the correct ones. I have to set ##P=xe^{xy}## and ##Q=ye^{xy}##. I spent like 15 minutes trying to find where my mistake was and I totally missed it.

I think you still have P and Q incorrect. When you differentiate, the leading term must come out squared.
 

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