Harmonic oscillation; new amplitude?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a block on a frictionless surface attached to a spring, where a lump of clay is dropped onto the block after it is displaced and released. The key points include the application of conservation of momentum to derive the new amplitude after the clay sticks to the block, expressed as x_0' = x_0 √((M + m cos²(ϕ₁)) / (M + m)). Participants clarify the importance of differentiating between potential and kinetic energy immediately after the collision, emphasizing that kinetic energy is not conserved due to the inelastic nature of the collision. The conversation also touches on the need to express the new angular frequency in terms of the original frequency, linking the two through the conservation of energy principle. Overall, the discussion highlights the complexities of analyzing harmonic oscillation when additional mass is introduced to the system.
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Homework Statement


A block with a mass M is located on a frictionless, horizontal surface and is attached to a horizontal spring with spring stiffness k. The block is being pulled out to the right a distance x=x_0 of equilibrium and released at t = 0.

At time t_1, corresponding to \omega t_1=\varphi_1, a lump of clay with mass m is dropped onto the block (sticking to it).

a) Use conservation of momentum, in the horizontal direction, to show that the new amplitude is:
x_0\prime = x_0 \sqrt{\frac{M+m\cdot cos^2(\varphi_1)}{M+m}}

b) Express the new angular frequency, \omega\prime in terms of \omega

Homework Equations


x(t)=x_0 \cdot cos(\omega\cdot t)

E=\frac{1}{2}kx_0^2

\omega=\sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}

The Attempt at a Solution


a) Conservation of momentum:

M\dot{x}=(M+m)\dot{x\prime}

M(-\omega\cdot sin(\omega\cdot t)\cdot x_0) =(M+m)\dot{x\prime}, I'm not sure whether it should be sin(\omega\cdot t_1) or sin(\omega\cdot t)

-M\sqrt{\frac{k}{M}}\cdot sin(\omega\cdot t)\cdot x_0=(M+m)\dot{x\prime}

-\sqrt{M\cdot k}\cdot sin(\omega\cdot t)\cdot x_0=(M+m)\dot{x\prime}, now I don't know what more to do. If I express \dot{x\prime} using sin(\omega \cdot t), ω and t will be different so i can't remove them later (unless i know the relationship between the angular frequencies, which is just what part b) is)
 
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To find the new amplitude, you need to know the total energy of the system after the collision. What's the kinetic energy immediately after the collision? What's the potential energy?
 
vela said:
To find the new amplitude, you need to know the total energy of the system after the collision. What's the kinetic energy immediately after the collision? What's the potential energy?

Thanks for the help, here's what I got:
M\dot{x}=(M+m)\dot{x}\prime

kx_0^2=kx^2\prime+(M+m)\dot{x}^2\prime

kx_0^2=kx^2\prime+\frac{(M+m)M^2\dot{x}^2}{(M+m)^2}

kx_0^2=kx^2\prime+\frac{(M+m)M^2\omega^2 x_0^2 sin^2(\omega t_1)}{(M+m)^2}

kx_0^2=kx^2\prime+\frac{M^2(\frac{k}{M}) x_0^2 sin^2(\omega t_1)}{(M+m)}

x_0^2=x^2\prime+\frac{M x_0^2 sin^2(\omega t_1)}{(M+m)}

x_0^2(1-\frac{M sin^2(\omega t_1)}{(M+m)})=x^2\prime


x_0^2(1-\frac{M (1-cos^2(\omega t_1))}{(M+m)})=x^2\prime

x_0^2(\frac{m+M}{m+M}-\frac{M (1-cos^2(\omega t_1))}{(M+m)})=x^2\prime

x_0^2(\frac{m+Mcos^2(\omega t_1)}{m+M})=x^2\prime, not quite right m+Mcos^2(\omega t_1) instead of M+mcos^2(\omega t_1), and x^2\prime \neq x_0^2\prime
 
6c 6f 76 65 said:
Thanks for the help, here's what I got:
M\dot{x}=(M+m)\dot{x}\prime
Just to be clear, I assume you mean ##M\dot{x}(t_1) = (M+m)\dot{x}'(t_1)##.

kx_0^2=kx^2\prime+(M+m)\dot{x}^2\prime
This isn't correct. You'd be saying that the original energy of the system, ##\frac{1}{2}kx_0^2##, is the same as the energy after the lump is added. That's not the case because at ##t=t_1##, the potential energy doesn't change, but the kinetic energy does.
 
vela said:
That's not the case because at ##t=t_1##, the potential energy doesn't change, but the kinetic energy does.

Ok, so \frac{1}{2}M\dot{x(t_1)}=\frac{1}{2}(M+m)\dot{x\prime(t_1)}? But if i substitute for either \dot{x\prime(t_1)} or \dot{x(t_1)} I end up with an equation of only one variable.
 
No, this is an inelastic collision. Kinetic energy isn't conserved.

EDIT: Sorry, misread what you wrote. That's simply conservation of momentum again with a factor of 1/2 thrown in.

What's the potential energy right after the collision? What's the kinetic energy right after the collision?
 
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vela said:
What's the potential energy right after the collision? What's the kinetic energy right after the collision?

PE=\frac{1}{2}k x\prime(t_1)^2

KE=\frac{1}{2}(M+m)\dot{x}\prime(t_1)^2
 
Right, so ##E' = \frac{1}{2}kx_0'^2 = \frac{1}{2}kx'(t_1)^2 + \frac12(M+m)\dot{x}'(t_1)^2##. Now you just need to express ##x_0'## in terms of the unprimed variables.
 
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vela said:
Right, so ##E' = \frac{1}{2}kx_0'^2 = \frac{1}{2}kx'(t_1)^2 + \frac12(M+m)\dot{x}'(t_1)^2##. Now you just need to express ##x_0'## in terms of the unprimed variables.

Thanks!

k x_0'^2=\frac{M^2 \omega^2 x_0^2 sin^2(\omega t_1)}{M+m}+k x'^2(t_1)

k x_0'^2=\frac{M k x_0^2 sin^2(\omega t_1)}{M+m}+k x'^2(t_1), used \omega^2=\frac{k}{M}. ##k## is constant before and after the "collision".

x_0'^2=\frac{M x_0^2 (1-cos^2(\omega t_1))}{M+m}+x'^2(t_1), any hints one the last prime term?
 
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6c 6f 76 65 said:
x_0'^2=\frac{M x_0^2 (1-cos^2(\omega t_1))}{M+m}+x'^2(t_1), any hints one the last prime term?
Isn't x'(t1) the same as x(t1)?
 
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haruspex said:
Isn't x'(t1) the same as x(t1)?

EDIT: Sorry, you're right! Thank you!
 
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