Heat Energy & Mass: How Can Snow Have More Heat Energy?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the concept of heat energy in relation to mass, specifically comparing the heat energy of a large mass of snow at 0°C to a small volume of water at 100°C. The focus includes theoretical considerations of heat content and temperature measurement.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how 30,000 kg of snow at 0°C can have more heat energy than 1 mL of water at 100°C.
  • Another participant states that snow at 0°C contains heat, and it has more heat than snow at -5°C, suggesting that heat content is measured on an absolute scale starting from absolute zero.
  • A third participant emphasizes the importance of measuring temperature on the Kelvin scale when discussing heat content.
  • A detailed calculation is provided comparing the heat energy of a large sample of ice (30,000 kg) at 0°C to a small sample of ice (1 g) that is heated to 100°C, showing that the large sample has significantly more heat energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present differing views on the comparison of heat energy between the two samples, with some providing calculations to support their claims. There is no consensus reached on the implications of these comparisons.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the specific heat capacities and the calculations depend on the definitions of heat content and temperature scales. There are unresolved aspects regarding the implications of these calculations in practical terms.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying thermodynamics, heat transfer, or related fields in physics and engineering.

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how can 30,000 kg of snow at 0 C have more heat energy than 1 mL of water at 100 C?
 
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Snow at 0C still contains heat - more heat than snow at -5C. Heat content is measured on an absolute scale starting at absolute zero (-273C).
 
Keep in mind that when measuring heat content, temperature must be measured on the Kelvin scale.
 
Suppose we have a sample A of 30000 kg of ice and a sample B of 1g of ice(1ml of water) both at absolute zero, then if we start heating them, so that sample A reaches 0^{0}\ C and sample B reaches 100^{0}\ C, we can calculate the heat they will have,

\mbox{For Ice at sample A,}

M_{ice}\ S_{ice}\ (\delta T)\\ =\ 30000\times 1000 g\ (0.50 \frac{cal}{g K})\ (273.15\ K)

= 4097250000\ cal

= 9.788 \times 10^{5} kJ


\mbox{And for ice(water) at sample B,}

M_{ice B}\ S_{ice}\ (\delta T_{1})\ +\ M_{ice B}\ L_{fusion}\ +\ M_{water}\ S_{water}\ (\delta T_{2})

=\ 1g\ (0.50 \frac{cal}{g K})\ (273.15\ K)\ +\ 1 g\ (80\frac{cal}{g})\ +\ 1\ g\ (1\frac{cal}{g K})\ (100 K)

=\ 316.575 cal

=\ 7.562 10^{-2}\ kJ

So u can see, that the sample A of ice has much much more heat! :approve:
 
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