Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around the efficiency of heat engines, specifically focusing on the Carnot efficiency and the role of entropy in thermodynamic cycles. Participants explore the implications of entropy generation within the working fluid and its effects on engine efficiency.
Discussion Character
- Technical explanation
- Conceptual clarification
- Debate/contested
Main Points Raised
- One participant questions why the assumption of no net entropy generation is necessary for the Carnot efficiency, seeking clarification on the relationship between entropy gain and engine efficiency.
- Another participant presents a mathematical formulation indicating that if entropy is generated within the working fluid, the efficiency of the engine will be less than the Carnot efficiency due to the positive entropy generation term.
- Several participants express confusion regarding the condition that the change in entropy (ΔS) must equal zero in a cyclic process, questioning the implications if the system were to maintain generated entropy.
- A later reply emphasizes that in a cyclic process, the working fluid returns to its initial state, which necessitates that the net change in its entropy is zero, implying that all generated entropy must be transferred to the reservoirs.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express uncertainty regarding the necessity of ΔS equaling zero in cyclic processes, indicating that multiple views on this condition and its implications remain unresolved.
Contextual Notes
Participants have not fully explored the implications of maintaining generated entropy in the system, leaving assumptions about the behavior of the working fluid and its temperature changes from cycle to cycle unaddressed.