Heat Pump Thermodynamics Question

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The discussion revolves around understanding the operation of heat pumps, specifically in calculating the time required to raise the temperature of a house using the coefficient of performance (COP) and heat loss. The participant outlines the energy balance equation and the relationship between heat input and work input for the heat pump. They express concern about how to determine work input (W.in) without it being provided, leading to a realization that this complexity exceeds their course's scope. After consulting with a professor, they conclude that they were overthinking the problem. The conversation highlights the challenge of applying theoretical knowledge to practical scenarios in thermodynamics.
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I have a general question, it's not homework or anything, we are studying heat pumps and thermal efficiencies and COP. There's an example in my book that has a heat pump that is heating a house and it asks to find the minimum theoretical cost per day. Of course the solution and detailed steps are in my textbook.

However I was thinking what if I wanted to raise the temperature from any given T1 to T2 using a heat pump that gives me the COP and the heat loss or Q_loss and the mass of the house. I want to find how long it would take to raise the temperature from let's say 10 degrees Celsius to 22 degrees Celsius. I think I have an idea of how to go about solving such a problem.

Is the the process:

I have the energy balance equation which gives me sum(Q) = mC_v*delta(T)
I have a sum to be the Qin - Qloss = mC_v*delta(T). If I am given the Qloss and the mC_v and the Qin I can obviously solve for delta(T) and use that to find Tf if I am given a Ti.

Then I can use the COP equation of COP = Q.in/W.in to find Q.in. and Q.in would be equal to Qin/delta(t_sec).

Now my question is what if I wasn't given W.in for the heat pump, how would I be able to solve for it with my given information. Please advise. Thank you very much.
 
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Then you will have some sort of differential equation. How good is your math?
 
mcomputing said:
Now my question is what if I wasn't given W.in for the heat pump, how would I be able to solve for it with my given information.
The minimum work required by the heat pump is a function of the temperatures between which it is operating. For a Carnot heat pump:

COP = Qh/W = Qh/(Qh-Qc) = Th/(Th-Tc) so

W= Qh(Th-Tc)/Th = Qh(1-Tc/Th)

AM
 
Thanks for all your help. I was able to figure this out by asking my professor. He basically told me that not being given W.in is beyond the scope of the class I am taking. I think I was over thinking the question and imagining all possibilities.
 
mcomputing said:
Thanks for all your help. I was able to figure this out by asking my professor. He basically told me that not being given W.in is beyond the scope of the class I am taking. I think I was over thinking the question and imagining all possibilities.

I hate it when teachers say this.
 
khemist said:
I hate it when teachers say this.



This is a real-world problem (which I thought of and solved myself a while back) but he's too lazy to explain it to the student.That's the human mentality:

"If it don't make my paycheck bigger, I don't give a flying f***."
 
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