Help with an integration by parts problem

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The discussion revolves around an integration problem involving the integral of the function \(\frac{\cos(\pi \sqrt{t})}{\sqrt{t}}\) from 1 to 1/4. Participants are exploring methods to solve this integral, particularly focusing on integration by parts and substitution techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts integration by parts but encounters complications with the resulting expressions. Some participants suggest using substitution methods, specifically changing variables to simplify the integrand. There are questions about the correctness of these substitutions and the need to adjust the limits of integration accordingly.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing various approaches to the problem, with some providing guidance on substitution methods. There is recognition of potential mistakes in the original poster's attempts, particularly regarding variable changes and limit adjustments. However, no consensus has been reached on a definitive method to solve the integral.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on ensuring that when changing variables, the limits of integration must also be updated, which is a point of confusion for some participants. The original poster's initial setup and subsequent attempts have led to discussions about the appropriateness of different methods.

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integration problem :(

Homework Statement



int from 1 to 1/4 of [cos(pi*sqrt(t))] / sqrt(t) dt


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The Attempt at a Solution


I tried using integration by parts

used u = cos pi (sqrt(t)) and dv = sqrt(t), but got a really messy number as int of vdu

so I tried u = sqrt t, du = 1/2sqrt(t)
dv = cos pi*sqrt(t) , v = sin pi sqrt(t) * pi/2sqrt(t)


So This doesn't seem right, how would I approach this problem?
 
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You want [tex]\int_{1}^{\frac{1}{4}} \frac{\cos \pi \sqrt{t}}{\sqrt{t}} \; dt[/tex]
 
Yeah, but integration by parts didn't work, and I don't see how I can use substitution, any help?
 
The change of variable method is correct.
Put [itex]u = \sqrt t[/itex]
[itex]2du = \frac{dt}{\sqrt t}[/itex]
Substituting this will simplify the integrand. However, I think the mistake you are making is; you are forgetting to change the limits(1 & 1/4) of the integral. Whenever you make a variable change, the limits change according to the new variable.

Hope this helps...
 
multiply numerator and denominator by [tex]\sqrt{t}[/tex]

You get: [tex]\int_{1}^{\frac{1}{4}} \frac{\cos \pi t}{t} \; dt[/tex]
 
A substitution should work, try u=pi(t)^.5
 
tronter said:
You want
[tex]\int_{1}^{\frac{1}{4}} \frac{\cos \pi \sqrt t}{\sqrt t}dt[/tex]

multiply numerator and denominator by [tex]\sqrt{t}[/tex]

You get: [tex]\int_{1}^{\frac{1}{4}} \frac{\cos \pi t}{t} \; dt[/tex]

Hey, that's wrong . Multiplying [itex]\sqrt t[/itex] in the numerator doesn't change [itex]\cos \pi \sqrt t[/itex] to [itex]\cos \pi t[/itex].
 
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trajan22 said:
A substitution should work, try u=pi(t)^.5

Oh wow... haha, yeah.. thanks.

I was using u = cos pi(t)^.5

Bah, thanks.
 

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