Help with rearranging equations for gas laws

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The discussion revolves around dimensional analysis related to an equation of state for a real gas, specifically examining the dimensions of constants in the equation (p + a/v²)(V - b) = ZT. Participants are tasked with determining the dimensions of constants a and b, as well as the unit for constant Z, based on the fundamental quantities of mass, length, and time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to analyze the dimensions of constants a and b by starting with known dimensions of volume and pressure. They express uncertainty about their reasoning and seek clarification on dimensional analysis principles.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into dimensional relationships and have made progress in determining the dimensions of a and b. There is acknowledgment of the need for careful notation and the distinction between variables and their dimensions. However, there is no explicit consensus on the final answers, and further clarification is sought regarding the interpretation of symbols.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of notation, particularly the case sensitivity of variables, and the potential confusion arising from similar symbols representing different concepts. There is also mention of the need to clarify the distinction between temperature and time in the context of dimensional analysis.

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Homework Statement



An equation of state that has been used to model the behaviour of a fixed amount of a real gas is

(p + a/v2) (V - b) = ZT

In the equation, Z, a and b are constants, and P represents pressure, V represents volume, and T represents temperature. The constant Z depends on the amount of gas.
Consider what the dimensions of a and b are in terms of the fundamental quantities of mass (M), length (L) and time (T).

Q1
The dimensions of b are
A L3
B L6
C M L -1T-2.
D M-1 L T2 .Q2
The dimensions of a are
A L6.
B M L5 T-2.
C M L-I T-2.
D M L-5 T-1.

Q3
The value of the constant Z could be expressed in terms of the unit
A W
B W N s-l.
C N JK-1.
D J K-1

Homework Equations

V = cm3
d = m/v
P = N/m2
PV = nRT?
W = FD

The Attempt at a Solution



Ok. I'll be honest these questions are beyond me. At first glance I am tempted to skip it. But then with what little knowledge I had, I gave it a shot.

Q1
For one I know V = L3. Ok, we'll start there. If I'm finding b, that means L is going to be on top. I can't show it in working, but just looking at the equation, I'm guessing it. So it's either A or B.

Q2
Again it looks like L will be on top. So that leaves A or B.

Q3
Immediately it looks like K will be under. So that leaves C or D. I look at the answer I see Joules which is work (=FD), which has Newtons in it, so I don't think the ans is C. Therefore it must be D.

As you can see, I have no idea how to do these type of questions. I did a google search and found a term 'Dimensional Analysis', and apparently P = M/LT2. However, this still does not allow me to answer the question. Please if a kind soul can help me out, or is there a website you can direct me which would explain these kind of questions?

Thanks for your time, appreciate it.
 
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You can only sum terms with the same dimensions.
You can check your results by completing the dimensional analysis to see if the dimensions on each side match up.

Notation is case-sensitive so "v" is a different variable to "V". You have only defined one of them.
I'm guessing they are both supposed to be upper case.

example: if we have a relation ##y=a(x+b)## then,
if [x] = L then =L so that [x+b]=L ...
if [y] = [force] = MLT-2 then [a] = MT-2
 
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thanks Simon, got it! (yes you are right the two V's are meant to be capital)

Q1
b has to be L3 according to the rule of sums.

Q2
pressure = F/A = N/m2 = kg m/s2 x 1/m2 = kg/ms2 = M/LT2

so M/LT2 + a/(L3)2 then a = ML5/T2

Q3
(M/LT2)(L3) = ZT
ML2/T2 = ZT

work = FD = Nm = kgm/s2 x m kgm2/s2 = ML2/T2 = J

Z = J/K
 
talebone said:
thanks Simon, got it! (yes you are right the two V's are meant to be capital)

Q1
b has to be L3 according to the rule of sums.

Q2
pressure = F/A = N/m2 = kg m/s2 x 1/m2 = kg/ms2 = M/LT2

so M/LT2 + a/(L3)2 then a = ML5/T2

Q3
(M/LT2)(L3) = ZT
ML2/T2 = ZT

work = FD = Nm = kgm/s2 x m kgm2/s2 = ML2/T2 = J

Z = J/K

Very nice job. The only thing I would change would be to recognize in your Q3 analysis, the rhs's of the first two equations should be ZK, not ZT. You have been using the symbol T for time, not temperature.
 
(M/LT2)(L3) = [ZT] to distingush between T := "dimensions of time" and [T] := "dimensions of temperature". Without the square brackets, the statement is false. :)

As Chestermillar points out, it is good practice to temporarily change a quantity label when it is the same as a dimension label... just while you are doing dimensional analysis. The unit label is handy so [K] would mean "dimensions of Kelvins".

One way to figure if the math you have written makes sense is to translate it into words.

That said - good work!
 

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