Help with this thermodynamics and entropy question please

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving an insulated aluminum cup and water reaching thermal equilibrium. The user successfully calculated the final temperature as 42.06°C but is struggling with the entropy calculation, specifically the expression 0.215*ln(315.06/291.46) + 1*ln(315.06/319.91). Other participants point out discrepancies in the factors used, with one suggesting that the user should consider different values for the specific heat capacities of water and aluminum. Clarifications about the correct limits of integration and the ratio of mass and specific heat capacities are also discussed. The conversation highlights the importance of accurate values in entropy calculations.
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Homework Statement
A 124.4 g insulated aluminum cup at 18.46 ∘C is filled with 130.0 g of water at 46.91∘C. After a few minutes, equilibrium is reached.

a. Determine the final temperature. (completed)

b. Determine the total change in entropy.
Relevant Equations
Q=mcT
So I've answered the first question and I got a final temp of 42.06 Celsius.

Now for this second one, I don't know why I am getting it wrong:

Im doing 0.215*ln(315.06/291.46) + 1*ln(315.06/319.91)

But it says I am wrong. What about my process is faulty?
 
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takelight2 said:
Homework Statement:: A 124.4 g insulated aluminum cup at 18.46 ∘C is filled with 130.0 g of water at 46.91∘C. After a few minutes, equilibrium is reached.

a. Determine the final temperature. (completed)

b. Determine the total change in entropy.
Relevant Equations:: Q=mcT

So I've answered the first question and I got a final temp of 42.06 Celsius.

Now for this second one, I don't know why I am getting it wrong:

Im doing 0.215*ln(315.06/291.46) + 1*ln(315.06/319.91)

But it says I am wrong. What about my process is faulty?
Please fill in the details of how you get the factors 0.215 and 1.
 
Also, to be pedantic, if you are working to hundredths of a degree, 0°C is 273.15K, not 273.00, though doubtless it makes very little difference to your answer.
 
haruspex said:
Please fill in the details of how you get the factors 0.215 and 1.
Yes, I differ from these values (and more importantly, from their ratio). Instead of the 0.215, I get 112 J/K, and, instead of the 1, I get 544 J/K.
 
rude man said:
My numbers agree with @Chestermiller.
(But I don't get the 'ratio' part).
Thanks Rudy. I don't either. I was mistaken about that.
 
Chestermiller said:
Thanks Rudy. I don't either. I was mistaken about that.
Actually, I thought you meant the limits of integration which turn out to be ratios after the integration, but separately for the water and the cup.
 
rude man said:
Actually, I thought you meant the limits of integration which turn out to be ratios after the integration, but separately for the water and the cup.
Nope. I mistakenly meant the ratio of the MC's.
 
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