How Can Bernoulli's Principle Explain a Hovering Ping Pong Ball?

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Bernoulli's principle can be applied to a ping pong ball hovering over a stream of air, with the experiment focusing on how varying air velocity affects the angle at which the ball falls off the stream. The main challenge discussed is calculating dynamic pressure, which requires knowledge of air density, a variable that also changes with velocity. Participants clarify that under typical conditions, the change in air density is minimal and can be approximated as constant for calculations. By assuming constant density, one can simplify the equations and estimate any minor changes in density afterward. This approach allows for continued experimentation and analysis of the hovering ball phenomenon.
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Hey everyone, this is my first post here, I hope this is a good place to put it. I take HL physics for my IB program and thinking of doing the EE on physics. I looked into Bernoulli's principle and thought this would be interesting. A good experiment is having a ping pong ball hover over a stream of air and see at what angle the ball falls off the stream. I then can change the velocity of the air which should change the pressure, ∴ changing the angle. My problem is that I don't know how to find the dynamic pressure because to find that, you need density, but density also changes with velocity and to find density you need pressure. So I'm stuck at this point and don't know what to do!
 
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Hey Tugberk! Welcome to PF! :smile:
Tugberk said:
… I don't know how to find the dynamic pressure because to find that, you need density, but density also changes with velocity and to find density you need pressure.

No, water is pretty nearly incompressible (at fixed temperature), so its density stays the same. :wink:
 


tiny-tim said:
Hey Tugberk! Welcome to PF! :smile:


No, water is pretty nearly incompressible (at fixed temperature), so its density stays the same. :wink:

That's good to know, but I'm using air and not water :/
 
oooh, sorry …

i saw the word "stream", and somehow it lodged in my mind as water :redface:
 
Under the conditions you are working with, the change in density should be very little. Solve your equations assuming constant density, and then, based on the changes in pressure you calculate, estimate the change in density. You will probably find that it will be a tiny fraction of an atmosphere, so that it can be neglected.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
Under the conditions you are working with, the change in density should be very little. Solve your equations assuming constant density, and then, based on the changes in pressure you calculate, estimate the change in density. You will probably find that it will be a tiny fraction of an atmosphere, so that it can be neglected.

Chet

Oh ok, thanks for that! Now I can proceed :D
 
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