How can uncertainties be calculated for equations and variables?

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The discussion revolves around calculating uncertainties for the equation Y = (AC-CX)/(B+X) and deriving the equation with respect to B while keeping other variables constant. Participants are exploring how to determine the uncertainty in Y based on given values and their uncertainties.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the uncertainty in Y using a specific formula and expresses concern about the large uncertainty obtained. Some participants question the arithmetic used in the calculations and suggest verifying the results. Others discuss the method for deriving the equation with respect to B and offer a formula for that derivative.

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Participants are actively engaging with the calculations and questioning the accuracy of the arithmetic involved. There is a suggestion for an alternative method to calculate uncertainty by considering the maximum and minimum values of Y based on the uncertainties of the variables.

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The original poster is working under constraints of specific values and their associated uncertainties, which are critical to the calculations being discussed. There is an emphasis on ensuring the correctness of the arithmetic and the methods used for uncertainty calculation.

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Hi guys, i am trying to work out the uncertainty of this equation

Y = (AC-CX)/(B+X)
and i am needed to work out the uncertainty in Y.

values for these are:
Y=2.18 UNCERTAINTY UNKNOWN
A=29m Uncertainty in A denoted (Sa)=3mm
B=710mm Uncertainty in B denoted(Sb)=3mm
C=5.85mm Uncertainty in C denoted(Sc)=0.2mm
D=0.150mm Uncertainty in D denoted (Sd)=0.005mm
X=18.68m Uncertainty in X denoted (Sx)=0.005mm

using these values i used the formula:

Sy/Y = (Sc/C)+ S[(A-x)(B+x)]/[(A-x)(B+x)]
Sy/Y = (0.2/5.85) + (0.1099555934/0.3723445134)
Sy= 0.7182971382

i obtained an uncertainty of 0.7 it is very large hence i think i may have done something wrong in my calculations.

to obtain S[(A-x)(B+x)]
i did
[S(A-x)/(a-x)] + [S(B+x)/(B+x)]
=[(3mm+.005)/(29-18.68)] + [(3mm+.005)/(710+18.68)]
=0.1099555934

so can anyone please check this thanks!

also another simple question
Y= (AC-CX)/(B+X)
how do i derive for B, keeping everything else constant?
eg if i were to derive with respect to C, whilst keeping everything else constant i would get
: [A-X/(B+X)] ... so how do i derive with respect to B while keeping everything else constant since it is in the denomitor...

THANKS ALL
 
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First question: Looks to me like your arithmetic is just wrong!
0.2/5.85= 0.034188... and 0.1099555934/0.3723445134= 0.29530606591642170268376325203836. Their sum is about 0.329, not 0.7.


As for the derivative of Y= (AC-CX)/(B+X) with respect to B, use the quotient formula:
\frac{\partial Y}{\partial B}= \frac{(0)(B+X)- (AC-CX)(1)}{(B+X)^2}= \frac{CX- AC}{(B+X)^2}.
 
Sy/Y = (0.2/5.85) + (0.1099555934/0.3723445134)
yes you are correct the sum is 0.329
but i had
Sy= 0.7182971382

which is the sum multiplyed by Y
so
0.329*2.18=0.7182971382
which is the uncertainty in Y... but i don't know if its right or not the way i went about it all.

so is their another way of working out uncertainty?
 
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Well, one thing you could do is this: calculate each of the given number plus[\b] their "uncertainty" and minus. Use those to see what is the largest and smallest values Y could have.
 

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